The risk/reward analysis on drafting RBs earlier vs later
We've heard it said so many times over the course of the 2011 season that most of us could recite it in our sleep - "The NFL is a passing league." Statistics back this up with not one, but two, QBs breaking the all-time passing yards in a season record this year. Flying in the face of that trend, you have the 2011 Denver Broncos. Whether it was based on coaching preference or necessity, the Broncos lead the league in rushing yards and were tied for first in rushing attempts (with the Texans). The Bucs had the fewest rusing attempts with 346. The Broncos also attempted the fewest passes in the league with 429. The 49ers had the next fewest with 451. Detroit lead the league with 666 passing attempts (I told you they were evil). So that was the offense in 2011. McCoy will again be the offensive coordinator, but it remains to be seen whether the pass/run ratio will change (or by how much) next season. I tend to think that the Broncos will still rely heavily on the run, but that we will not rely as heavily as we did in 2011. So the health and effectiveness of our OL and RBs is paramount. 
So now we get to the title question - How much draft capital should the Broncos invest in a RB? Anecdotally we know that good value can be found in later round RBs and that 1st and round round RBs tend to not be worth the draft capital, but I wanted to put those two assumptions to the test. So I looked at the last 5 drafts and compared the production of those RBs taken in the first 3 rounds to those taken in the 4-7 rounds. First I needed to define what the Broncos are looking for in a RB (assuming our 2012 offense is very similar to our 2011 offense)
1. Vision - this is the key difference between McGahee and every other back on the roster. McGahee has the ability to find very small creases and turn what would have been a 1-2 yard gain for Ball or KnoMo into 4-5 yards. For an offense that relies heavily on first down running success, these extra two yards make a world of difference, so, of course the Broncos need to find a RB with field vision like McGahee. The problem is that this quality is so hard to assess in college RBs, particularly in whether or not their vision can translate to the NFL where all defenders are stronger and faster than the college players that they are used to facing. What may have been superb vision and patience in college often translates to hesitation and short gains in the NFL; the window for making decisions has been compacted relative to the college game.
2. Burst (quickness to the hole and in the hole) - being able to see a smidgen of daylight is great, but if you don't have the burst to get through it, then it is useless. McGahee, even at 30, still had that burst. KnoMo only seems to have it against the Chiefs. Ball has never shown me that he has it.
3. Straight line speed - Being able to rip off 60-70 yard runs is great and like WRs who are deep vertical threats burners at RB force safeties to play back from the LOS.
4. Durability - this is only pertinent in terms of injury history, because the Broncos are not looking for a 25 carry/game RB. Most NFL teams are not looking for a 30 carry/game guy any more.
5. Willingness/ability to pass block and and ability to catch the ball - these go hand-in-hand as both contribute to the ability of a particular back to be on the field in any down and distance situation.
So that is what the Broncos are looking for in the in order is how I would rank those traits when evaluating college runners (I know many people would put straight line speed at the top).
Will all of that in mind here is a breakdown of what the NFL had done in terms of drafting RBs in the past 5 years. I will not be discussing UDFAs and will give short shrift to FBs since there contributions tend not to get recognized statistically.
2007 - 25 RBs drafted, 9 in the 1st three rounds, 16 in the last 4 rounds
The two guys taken in the first round were AP and Marshawn Lynch - both have returned good value on draft capital.
There were four guys taken in the second round:
| Kenny Irons - never made an NFL roster |
| Chris Henry - 32 total NFL rushing attempts |
| Brian Leonard - current 3rd down back for the Bengals |
| Brandon Jackson - one good year with the Packers (2010) |
The three drafted in the 3rd were Lorenzo Booker, Tony Hunt and Garrett Wolfe. Booker is still in the league but is a journeyman backup. The other two are out of the league and never played much.
Of the 16 later round RBs there are four who have turned into good value - Michael Bush, La'Ron McClain, Jason Snelling and Ahmad Bradshaw.
The verdict from this draft is that you are almost as likely to find a high quality back in the later rounds as in the first 3. My assessment is that 3/9 RBs taken in the first three rounds were successful while 4/16 taken in the later rounds were successful. So the better use of draft capital was to take a later round guy unless you got Lynch or AP.
2008 - 27 RBs were taken. 11 is the first 3, 16 in the last 4.
This was a bumper crop for early round RBs. Of the 11 guys taken in the first three rounds 10 of them have gone on to be large contributors to their teams. Here they are (5 in the 1st rnd, 2 in the 2nd and 4 in the third).
| Darren McFadden |
| Jonathan Stewart |
| Felix Jones |
| Rashard Mendenhall |
| Chris Johnson |
| Matt Forte |
| Ray Rice |
| Kevin Smith |
| Jacob Hester |
| Jamaal Charles |
| Steve Slaton |
Of these guys Slaton has had the least impact and people tend to forget that he ran for 1282 yards and 9 TDs as a rookie. His career went downhill fast after his rookie season. Hester has been a backup and solid contributor mostly at FB and KR for the Bolts. McFadden has been great against the Broncos and above average against the rest of the league, but he, like KnoMo, has trouble staying on the field - missing a minimum of 3 games every year so far.
In the later rounds there are 6 names that stand out: Tashard Choice (4th), Ryan Torain (5th), Tim Hightower (5th), Peyton Hillis (7th) and Justin Forsett (7th). Hillis was 24th RB taken in that draft. Justin Forsett has had a decent career as a 3rd down back and he was drafted in the 7th after Hillis.
The verdict on this draft is that the better RBs were definitely found in the first three rounds and that the "risk" of using draft capital on a RB in those rounds was well worth the reward. 10/11 (or 11/11 depending on how you judge Slaton) in the first 3 rounds vs 6/16 in the later rounds. You could argue that it is a push here since the "success" rate was so high for the later round guys, but I'd say the risk was well worth the reward in 2008 for the early round RBs.
2009 - 22 RBs taken, 6 in the first 3 rounds (3 in the 1st, 1 in the 2nd, and 2 in the 3rd)
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Knowshon Moreno |
| Donald Brown |
| Chris "Beanie" Wells |
| LeSean McCoy |
| Shonn Greene |
| Glen Coffee |
I would have to say that only Greene and McCoy have lived up to expectations. Wells finally contributed last year at the level that the Cardinals hoped when they drafted him (1100 total yards). Brown used more last year and had his best season (4.8 ypc) but still only has two 100-yard rushing games in his career. Coffee only lasted one year in the league.
Of the 16 RBs taken in the last 4 rounds the notable names are: Javon Ringer (5th), LaRod Stephens-Howling (7th) and Rashad Jennings (7th). Ringer and Jennings has been the #2 backs for their respective teams but they have done well in that role for the most part. Howling is mainly a KR; he has 72 rushing attempts in 3 NFL season. He has been a good KR, though, with 3 return TDs in 3 years.
The verdict on this year is that it was a better option to try and find value in the later rounds (3/16) vs spending a high pick on a RB (2/6 or 3/6 depending on how you grade Wells). Overall this was a very weak year for RB talent. Most draftniks pointed this out before the draft and they have been proven correct by history.
It gets a little bit more tricky when you get to 2010 since some players need a year or two to get fully acclimatized to the NFL. That being said...
2010 - There were only 16 taken, 7 in the first two rounds though (3 in the 1st, 4 in the 2nd, none in the 3rd)
| C.J. Spiller |
| Ryan Mathews |
| Jahvid Best |
| Dexter McCluster |
| Toby Gerhart |
| Ben Tate |
| Montario Hardesty |
Spiller was disappointing in his first season and a half, but started living up to his draft position (#9 overall) in the second half of 2011 (having his career day so far against the Broncos). Best has been a borderline busts mainly because of injuries (Best might be done completely due to concussions). Matthews found his groove this year and finished with 1546 yards from scrimmage this year (50 catches). McCluster was the only threat for the Chiefs on offense with Charles and Bowe sidelined for all and some of this year. Tate and Gerhart are backing up All-Pro RBs in AP and AF, but both have been good/great #2 backs. The only guy who would fall into the bust category at this point is Hardesty, who missed all of 2010 with a torn ACL and played only sparingly for the Browns in 2011 (88 car, 266 yards).
The only notable from the 9 guys taken in the last 4 rounds is James Starks. He has turned into a good #2 back for the Packers (794 total yards in 2011).
The verdict on 2010 is that there was little talent available and that which was available was found in the first 3 rounds (5/7 or 6/7 depending on how you grade Spiller) vs 1/9 in the later rounds. Admittedly John Connor (5th) is a good FB for the Jets so maybe that should be 2/9.
2011 - 28 RBs taken: 8 in rounds 1-3, 20 in rounds 4-7
Here are the RBs taken in the first three rounds (1 in the 1st, 4 in the 2nd and 3 in the 3rd)
| Mark Ingram |
| Ryan Williams |
| Shane Vereen |
| Mikel Leshoure |
| Daniel Thomas |
| Demarco Murray |
| Stevan Ridley |
| Alex Green |
Ingram was a solid contributor for the Saints (525 yards from scrimmage and 5 TDs) and led the team in carries. Murray and Thomas were the leading ground gainers for their teams. Williams and LeShoure were both hurt in the preseason and missed the entire year. Vereen, Ridley and Green were all very sparingly used by their teams.
Of the 20 guys taken in the later rounds five were FBs (one is actually a LB now) so we are really looking at 15 ball carriers. Of those 15 here are the guys who did well as rookies: Ryan Helu (4th), Kendall Hunter (4th), Delone Carter (4th), Jacquizz Rogers (5th), and Evan Royster (6th). Helu was the Skins leading rusher as a rookie (1019 yscrm) while Royster contributed another 404 yards from scrimmage. Hunter was the #2 back for the 49ers. Carter was the #3 back for the hapless Colts (395 yards from scrimmage). Rogers was the 3rd down back for the Falcons getting more touches than the arguable #2 back, Snelling.
The verdict so far for this draft is that better value could be found in the last 4 rounds (5/15) relative to the production to be had from the backs taken in the first three rounds (3/8). This could swing if back in the favor of the early round backs if Williams and LeShoure go on to have productive careers.
Concluding Thoughts
So there you have it. In the last 5 years it was better to take a RB early in two years (08, 10) and later in three years (07, 09, 11) in terms of value for the pick and return on draft capital. I find it interesting that it seems to have an on/off cycle (although that may have been an artifact of the small time frame I chose). If the cycle holds, that would argue for the Broncos to use one of our picks in the first three rounds to get a RB. I think that the answer depends on who is available when we pick (BPA) and the vision that McCoy/Fox/Elway have for the Broncos offense in 2012. What we do in FA could also dramatically alter/eliminate the need/desire for a new toy at RB.
While I would love to see another 249 carries out of McGahee in 2012, the odds are against him. He will mostly likely miss more time in 2012 than he did in 2011. Father time is not kind to NFL RBs and by NFL RB standards he is ancient.
What do you think MHR? Should the Broncos take a RB in the first three rounds or should they wait an hope to pull a "Shanahan" by grabbing a 1000 yard rusher in the 4th-7th?
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Good post man rec'd.
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thanks
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by DE_BroncoFan on Feb 6, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
Very interesting post
It seems like the pool of potential talent has dwindled lately. Do you think that can be attributed to different college schemes or just a sheer lack of over all talent?
Would you prefer we adress our RB needs via FA?
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by KarlMecklenburg77 on Feb 6, 2012 1:08 PM MST reply actions
I think the overall level of talent fluctuates from year to year - sometimes greatly
Some of it is schemed based, but some of it, IMHO, is based on where college (and HS) coaches chose to play their best athletes. 20 years ago, the best athletes on the team were the guys playing RB. Because of shifts at the college level and below, many teams now have their best overall athletes playing QB on offense or DE, LB, SS on defense.
My preference would be to draft a late rounder in addition to bringing in a cheaper FA RB. I don’t think we have the talent available on our current roster to effectively run the offense, that McCoy was calling in 2011, in 2012, if McGahee is less healthy than he was in 2011. TT’s growth/progression at QB could also dramatically alter the need for another stud RB to complement McGahee.
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
Not sure I agree with the breakdown of first 3 rounds vs last 4 rounds.
I just think it would have been better to see the picks round by round since I think there are some 2nd and 3rd round backs that may drop the value of the total group etc.
Plus with the rookie wage scale it really isn’t that big of a concern anymore since the main issue was with spending large amounts of money on a back that may not pan out.
I think great running backs can be found anywhere in the draft but I do believe that 1st round backs are usually more productive on the whole if scouted properly. I think Fox has a tendency to draft running backs early and I think we’ll see one in the first couple of rounds.
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I went back and forth with where to put the lines
I thought about comparing first rounders, 2-3 rounders and 4-7 rounders, but decided to go with the way it is since I had seen many other drafts broken down this way. I’m not trying to imply that there is some large drop-off in talent after the 3rd round.
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
additionally when I use the term draft capital that is not talking about money needed to sign a pick,
but rather the value of taking a RB with that draft pick as opposed to using the pick on another position of weakness for the Broncos (DT, LB, CB, S, TE?)
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
This was a very interesting post
I have no idea what EFX plan to do at the running back position . If they could sign bush in free agency or trade for Toby Gearhart then I wouldn’t think they would draft one early but could in the later rounds .Moreno will be back for a change of pace or third downs . Also with all the needs on defense I think they would rather get another good free agent to go with McGahee .Can’t wait for free agency to start . again nice work preciate the effort .
Excellent Post. Rec'd
You have a very commanding authority of statistics and personnel. The best part is that you recognized the strength and shortcomings of your own analysis.
My answer: The best remedy to avoid a bust is to pick the player, not the position. If a player grades out well, go with him. I am generally opposed to taking a RB in the first two rounds unless their talent dictates otherwise. Other than taking Trent Richardson early, I’m not sold on any RB in the first.
Nice analysis and Rec'd
I’m one of the guys who want a RB in rounds 1 or 2. Im a huge fan or Lamar Miller in the late first. Doug Martin or David Wilson in the 2nd.
Sure it’s a high risk, high reward position, but in essence every position is. I think EFX will think the RB position will be very important and address it in the draft and/or Free Agency. Fox isnt shy about taking RB’s early either
In 2002, he took DeShaun Foster in 2nd, they already had Stephen Davis…He then took another back in the 5th
In 2005 he took Eric Shelton in the 2nd round(Stephen Davis retired)
in 2006 he took DeAngelo Williams in the 1st round
in 2008 he took Jonathan Stewart in the 1st round(Foster left)
In 2009 he took Mike Goodson in the 4th round
So he took 2 first round RB’s, 2 second round running backs, 1 in the forth round, and 1 in the fifth round. That’s 6 running backs drafted in a 7 year span and 4 in the first 2 rounds. Our stable consist of a aging 30 year old runner whom fox said he wants to limit his carries, Knowshon Moreno who is never healthy and hasnt proven to be anything more then a third down back, and 2 scrubs.
So it’s not out of the question that we draft a RB early and another one later in the draft
I'm in the same boat as you about picking a RB in round 1 or 2.
The reason being McGahee is old for a RB and Moreno is made of glass, Ball is ok for 3rd stringer.
A good running game is a young QB best friend. Would like to have a faster RB that has Tebow/McGahee like vision.
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Just reflecting....
Aren’t Rds 1-3 expected to “start” and later rounds not so much? Wouldnt this or playing time or the fact they might have been playing behind a star back affect the above ranking if yards were the only factor? In the last few years, McGahee hasnt played much…but now shows real talent when given the chance. Where would he have been without this years performance in your ranking criteria? OL has an impact too…just wondering if we arent missing some qualifying criteria? You guys know more on this stuff…just curious…
I agree
when evaluating RB’s, 1st rounders should start right away and have a 1000yards. If they dont, then they were overdrafted.
2-3rounders should start unless theres a good vet, then they should backup. They should have close to 700yards or a high average(5.0/carry) If they dont, they were overdrafted, exceed that then they were a good pick.
4-7th rounders should AT LEAST be on special teams. They should be at least 3rd string rb, and if there was no clear starter before they were drafted then they should be 1st or 2nd string. If they make 3rd string or better then they were a good pick.
The RB position is the one position that is mostly instinctual. Rookie Rb’s can tear it up, but the older they get(passed 29 years) they slow down. So a Rb needs to produce NOW! This is why we give Knowshow so much crap. He was 12th overall and has done almost NOTHING in his career. 2nd string for a 1st round pick is UNACCEPTABLE.
your analysis sounds about right to me
although some guys just take a year before they get fully up to speed in the NFL
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
I agree with this.
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by Fabio Broncos on Feb 6, 2012 6:25 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks....makes sense
We never know though what some guys can do, like Hillis, until they get a fair shot. Seems like Moreno has had his…so anyway my point is that there is more to the story and value can be found all over the place. This is why I dont like a high pick for RB…seems like they are mostly overdrafted???
Thanks Joseph for the post, it was great. I also want to thank you for the info you sent me.
I’m not sure i’ll be able to do the post i wanted to because of the therapy I’m taking now. The medication causes my attention span to waver. If you want to do it I would be appreciated for it.
Anyway, back to your post. I thought what McDaniels did with his first draft was foolish with all the holes we had on both sides of the ball, especially with defense since we were changing to the 3/4 scheme. It’s always a dangerous proposition drafting a RB in the first rd and Knowshon has shown us why. Trent Richardson is the only 1st rd ranked RB per CBSsports.com, but that doesn’t mean teams won’t take one there. My thinking is draft a defensive player with the 1st pick and see what’s there in the 2nd (Lamar Miller, David Wilson, Doug Martin, and maybe Chris Polk). If not then either draft one later or FA…
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you're welcome on the data
I’ll have to remember why I sent you the data first, before I can do I post. :-)
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It was on Carolina's drafting characteristics...What Fox might draft and where...
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ok - I'll do that one when work slows down
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Thank you for this job, DE
Very intersting stuff.
I’d go with one on the 2nd or 3rd…
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I'm okay with a 2nd or 3rd, or later...
… but the opportunity cost for a 1st round RB is probably too high, unless somehow Richardson drops to us (in which case, I’m all for it). Trading back a few spots into the high 2nd round for a 2nd tier guy, plus a pick, would be a good move too… but just don’t like any of the guys projected in the 20s enough to pass on the prospects at other positions, where the talent/expectation dropoff is much steeper.
Good post
I hope the BPA in the 2nd or 3rd is a RB. Then again later one more time. Thanks for the read.
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Great post.
It looks like MHR is still on the fence!
I voted 1st 3 rounds but hope it is round 2 or 3
Come the draft there should still be a good RB in Willis McGahee on the roster so any RB drafted will have to share the workload with him. Therefore it would seem strange to me to try and draft somebody in the 1st round who is not going to be on the field all of the time.
That being said the team does need to get a player who can be on the field and contribute in someway immediately and finding a player like that it would probably and ideally be in the 2nd and 3rd round of this draft. Ideal drafts dont happen very often and if they have to wait until later in the draft so they are not over drafting a player then so be it.
"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson
The Saints drafted Ingram (Heisman winner) last year to share carries with three other guys
Ingram 122 carries, Thomas 110 carries, Sproles 87 carries, Ivory 79 carries. So Ingram only got 31% of the carries.
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
I think a team in the Saints position can afford to do that maybe but the Broncos are still short of quality starters at a number of positions and that needs to be addressed.
"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson
I agree completely - which is why my vote was 4th-7th rounder. We have bigger holes to fill than RB
and I think we will bring in a value priced FA RB along with a later round RB from the draft.
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
by DE_BroncoFan on Feb 7, 2012 8:37 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we need a RB than can contribute immediately in a rotation just that our 1st rounder needs to be a guy who contributes on every down. I dont mind if that guy comes in round 4 but better chance of getting that in rounds 2-3.
"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson
Great post.
I think it might have been more insightful had you gone back and looked at the five years ending 2009, because sometimes a back will suddenly find his legs and start contributing (see Ricky Williams).
But regardless, this was a fun post to read and I think it does provide insight.
As for me, I agree with SWG’s comments above about the player determining the player’s fate (boom or bust) rather than the position. Even more insights might be found if you (or someone – anyone but me) evaluated other positions through the same lens and then compared them.
Back in April of 2009, when EJ first introduced the idea that the Broncos might draft Knowshon in the first round, I was pretty frustrated because I believed it was a pretty poor class of running backs (plus, I thought Knowshon would be a bust). Back then, I believed that if we were dead set on drafting a running back, great value could be found later in the draft.
This year, I’m all for drafting one higher.
Anyway, well done. Thanks for looking at this.
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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Feb 7, 2012 8:18 AM MST reply actions
glad you enjoyed it - I'll do a follow-ups in the comments covering the 06 and 05 drafts
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
There were only 17 RBs drafted in 06 - 8 in rounds 1-3, 9 in round 4-7
4 in the 1st – Reggie Bush, Lawrence Maroney, Deangelo Williams, Joseph Addai
2 in the 2nd – LenDale White, MJD
2 in the 3rd – Brian Calhoun, Jerius Norwood
Bush never lived up to the hype, Williams has been solid. Addai was mostly a disappointment (despite two straight 100 yd rushing season in his first and second year) and Maroney is out of the NFL. White is done, but he had a few good years. MJD is solid. Calhoun had 14 total NFL carries. Norwood was a great #2 back for Atlanta for 4 or 5 years. So I would give the first three rounds a 5/8 (or 6/8 depending on how you grade Bush)
Of the late rounders the notable names are Leon Washington and Jerome Harrison. Washington is still in the league mainly as a KR. Harrison is still in the league but was only the main RB one year of his career – despite having an impressive 4.7 ypc for his career. Two of the 9 late rounders were FBs so 2/7 late rounders were sucessful.
06 was a better year to draft a RB early if you needed one. There was very little left in the late rounds.
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
so in 06, 08 and 10 it was better to take a RB early and in 07, 09 and 11 you were better off taking a RB late and using that early pick on another position
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
There were 25 total RBs taken in the 2005 draft - 9 in rounds 1-3, 16 in rounds 4-7
There were 3 taken in the first round: Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson and Cadillac WIlliams
2 taken in the 2nd: JJ Arrington and Eric Shelton
4 taken in the 3rd: Frank Gore, Verand Morency, Maurice Clarett and Ryan Moats
Brown, Benson, Williams and Gore have all had fairly production careers although Brown’s production has never lived up to his draft position of #2 overall (only one 1000 yd rushing season). Williams had a great rookie season and then got hurt and has never been the same. Benson has blossomed in CIN. Gore has put up the best numbers of the group. The rest of the guys never did much in the NFL – those that actually made NFL rosters – Clarett never did so. So 4/9 were successful and all 4 of those are still in the league and playing well (Williams was the #2 RB behind Jackson in STL this year, Brown was a waste of money in PHL).
Of the guys taken in the later rounds three guys are still playing and contributing greatly to their teams: Brandon Jacobs (4th), Marion Barber (4th) and Darren Sproles (4th). Damien Nash (RIP) was taken in the 5th. So only 3/16 late rounders went on to have lasting NFL impacts but it could be argued that those three had a greater impact on their respective teams this year than the 4 successful early round backs.
My verdict from this season is that it was better to take a RB later than earlier. So now we have 05, 07, 09 and 11 were it was better to take a RB later. This trend is getting really strange.
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
2011 draft vs 2012 draft, will there be similarities?
EFX targeted position groups in the 2011 draft selecting, one big man OT Oralando Franklin…three linebackers…two safeties… and, two tight ends.
The players available at the time of selection most likely dictated those picks as they filled necessary needs with the BPA which is the correct way to draft imo. If they keep this trait up going into the 2012 draft I think we might see a couple of sets of BPA at the spot we pick. For instance, if EFX feel our pressing need is runningback I think we will draft 2 somewhere along the line. If they feel cornerback is the position then I could see 2 taken with hoping at least one makes the roster in Goodman’s spot as #2. If I know John Elway and his influence of the selection proscess he will want a pass rushing defensive tackle in which there are 3-4 in this draft that could fill that need and be the BPA. One linebacker might be taken, but I don’t think we will see two. Defensive end could use an upgrading and we might draft one either early if they fall right or later. A guard might round out the bunch and they may look for one that can play either G/C. I think we hold pat at TE and eith keep Fells or Rosario depending on how Ingram progresses along. A guy like Virgil Green can make that catch leaping over defenders that old man Branch couldn’t in the SB, and Julius Thomas hasn’t even scratched the surface yet…
I have this funny feeling tha if RB Lamar Miller is there at #25 then we will take him, that is about the same time Fox drafted DeAngelo Williams and we know what we have at that position, and can’t rely on McGahee to carry the load. Moreno? Pfft….
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I'm with you about Miller at 25.
He would be a perfect compliment to McGahee who’s more of the wear down the defense type of player. Youtube Miller, the guy’s burst is unbelievable. We have really missed that type of back in our offense for years.
Miller reminds alot of Portis, the burst, the running style.
I liked what I saw of Miller last year when watching the highlights of Orlando Franklin after we drafted him
I was really curious about Franklin so I went back and watched a couple of Miami games in their entirety (available on youtube). Miller really stands out.
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
You are dead on bfree.
I too believe that that was not just BPA, but BPA at certain positions targeted to aquire in the draft and the plan to double it up to make sure we hit on at least one of them. Thomas/Green, Moore/Carter, Irving/Mohamed all were done on purpose and I feel it will happen again this year. 1st round will be BPA and if that happens to be a position that they plan to double up on fine. Now what positions will they want to double up on in this year’s draft? We will know more after FA, but I think it will be at a position where age is a factor. As you said CB, RB and at UT. One pick left used at C/G. The rest done in FA. Love your plan of attack and I think you have EFX nailed.
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
Given the choices, I had to vote for rounds 4-7....
But I believe it should be a combo of picking one up in FA, and drafting one. If we fail to acquire a decent sidekick for McGahee in FA, then I wouldn’t be against taking one earlier in the draft. Just not round 1.
It’s time we get a DT in the first round who will make an impact. We can’t ignore the DL forever. CB would be my second choice.
I am not a number....I am a free man! (Iron Maiden)
in retrospect, I should have put that as one of the poll choices - FA RB and 4-7 rnd pick
My ideal positional draft would be
DT – penetrating, disruptive and able to start as a rookie (I know, that’s a tall order)
CB – capable of supplanting Goodman
LB – intelligent and fundamentally sound even if he’s not the biggest hitter in the world – won’t miss tackles or take bad angles
RB – small school guy with great vision but not necessarily game-breaker speed. Must secure that ball well.
CB – developmental guy with upside who fell because of poor numbers at the combine
OG – depth guy with a mean streak
DT/DE – another Beal type guy with good numbers against top competition who fell because of a poor combine
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
I'll probably do a mock with this template once the combine is over
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
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This IS my list. To the T. Then what I do is, if Irving or the 3rd round guy is not ready to be the Captain of the D, I play DJ at MLB this year and Woody (if he signs) or someone else at WLB. Also I get a QB (for the PS), a speedy RB, a FB and a C as UDFA. In FA, we need to re-sign Prater (or equivilent), 2 of 3 of our FA DTs, Royal (or equivilent) and a value DE that will compete with Ayers for starting duty. Also Colquitt if he’s a FA, IDK if he is.
Believe you can and you're halfway there.
Theodore Roosevelt
How about getting a good NT prospect instead of a penetrating UT?
We have two good UTs in Vickerson and Thomas, but only one good NT in Bunkley. With Warren’s injury history, he may be done after 2012 and a mitigation plan needs to be in place. A young NT must be brought in so he can be groomed in 2012-2013 IMO.
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
I didn't specify that the penetrating disruptive DT be an UT, a NT somatype who could do those things would be great
Either way, a guy who could collapse the center of the pocket on passing downs is what we need.
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
Glad we agree on DT :)
The rest of the list looks pretty solid as well!
I am not a number....I am a free man! (Iron Maiden)
Doug Martin in the 2nd round would be ideal
I think he’ll be more durable than Lamar Miller long term.
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