Canton: Where Mile High Dreams Die
by BillBert11 on Feb 7, 2012 5:33 PM MST
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I was reading the post on the main page where a suggestion was made to write letters to Canton, which I believe is a phenonenal idea. It is asinine that it should be up to the fans of the Broncos to resort to such a tactic but it is the bias in which we as Broncos fans live. The media and the writers pay little attention to our team unless your name is John Elway or Tim Tebow which will be shown after the jump.
This by no means is a scientific calculation of hall of famers but when looking at post Superbowl I hall of famers (players only and main contributing team only according to the HOF website) here is how we stack up.
Note: A player may count for two teams if their contributions are equal between both. ie Gary Zimmerman counts for both Min and Den. Tony Dorsett does not.
Bold=Back to Back Super Bowl Champions (Super Bowl Appearances)
HOFers
0-Hou (0), Jac (0), Car (1)
1-TB (1), Cin (2), Atl (1)
2-Sea (1), Phi (2), Bal (1)
3-NYG (5), NO (1)
4-Den (6), Cle (0), NYJ (1), Det (0), NE (7), Ari (1)
5-SD (1)
6-Ind (4), Chi (2), Buf (4), Ten (1), SF (5)
7-KC (2)
8-Stl (3)
9-Mia (5)
10-Pit (8), Was (5), Min (4)
11-Oak (5), GB (5)
13-Dal (8)
No one from New England's dynasty has even been enshrined yet. San Fran could grab a couple more from their dynasty and Dallas may even snag a couple more spots from the early 90's.
Three of the Giants Super bowl appearances and five of the Pats have come in the last 12 years meaning most of their players are not even eligible yet. These two factors considered leave the Broncos firmly entrenched as the only team with back to back titles and four or more appearances in the big game with less than six hall of famers in the NFL since 1967.
OK so what got me going on this was a comment I read about being a hall of fame elitist and how only the elite of the elite should be enshrined. Folks winning back to back Super Bowls is elite, going to six Super Bowls is elite. Winning Championships is the fastest way to the hall of fame in any sport in theory but it doesn't seem to be playing out that way for our Broncos.
In my opinion four Broncos are absolutely qualified and are being cheated by not being bronzed. Rod Smith, Terrell Davis, Steve Atwater and Randy Gradishar are all more than qualified. Combined these four had 21 pro bowl selections, 12 first team all pro selections, 2 second team all pro selections, 2 all decade selections, 1 defensive player of the year, 1 offensive player of the year, 1 NFL MVP, 1 Super Bowl MVP, 8 SB appearances and 6 rings.
OK so I'm pissed and I wanted to rant, but It's getting aggravating seeing my heroes get snubbed. Lets write to Canton as suggested nominate some of our boys and get them where they rightfully belong on stage in yellow blazers.
Trivia: There are only five eligible players, with a Super Bowl ring, from from the first and second 1990's all decade team not already enshrined in Canton... Who are they?
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I can partly understand this line of thinking
But EVERY team’s fan thinks their team should have more players in the Hall. And just look this years group, Kennedy, Doleman and Roaf all played for small, or newer, franchises.
Every fan base feels this way, and while I agree that I’d love to see more Broncos in Canton I can make the case as well for a number of other players who are long overdue as well.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
We could use us a Chris Doleman or Cortez Kennedy right about now
but any team could say that.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!
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Agreed with ya in part too topher
I’m just sayin I think our success speaks for itself except in the eyes of the hall. No team as successful has been as disrespected by Canton. To me thats not a line of thinking but FACT
Tebow time is coming on like a freight train. Orton is stumbling over every plank, tie and rail.
I personally disagree with that
Especially since many of those players from the late Super Bowls were role players with short careers, except for those in the Hall (Elway, Sharpe). I mean who really thinks that McCaffrey should get in, or Rod Smith, both who had solid careers, but Smith had the better of the two and he can’t stand up to those already in the log jam. I mean you have John Mobley who had one great year and not much else. That really only leaves Atwater, who I do think should get in, and TD, who has a lot of competition for the Hall already with a number of great backs coming into contention. Gradishar might be able to get in now that they’ve cleared a lot of lineman out, but looking at the DL class that is coming in, he might struggle. The fact that only two or three players are even in serious contention, and that only two of those stand up against those already solid finalists, makes it hard to make the case that we should have more Broncos in the Hall.
So do I want more Broncos wearing those jackets, heck yes, but for most of those players, it’s hard to make their case when you take off the Broncos goggles and compare them to other players unbiased. Doing my best to be unbiased I could make cases for Gradishar and Atwater, but other than those two, it’s hard for me to see others as contender, but if they did make it in, I’d be the first to cheer.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Rod Smith was more productive then Michael "Powder Nose" Irvin.
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by KoloradoKaos on Feb 8, 2012 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
Here's where I disagree with you Topher
When these men’s stats accolades and accomplishments are in the same ballpark as other hall of famers rings generally kick them over the top. Compare TD to other Hof runners and you might say he had a short lived career. Well here’s a reason why we ran him into the ground to get to two thousand he played an extra half a season in post season games and DOMINATED to the tune of the best post season runner ever. Any of these men you say had a short career in part was to the extra games they played for us in the post season. Calling them role players is a dis service to their abilities. If they were role players then why are six broncos on the 1990’s all decade team? And better yet if they were good enough to be called the best players at their position of the 1990’s why are only half of the in the hall?
Tebow time is coming on like a freight train. Orton is stumbling over every plank, tie and rail.
Any person who thinks guys like McCaffrey, Smith and Mobley should get in
Have drank WAY too much orange kool-aid and need to look at the big picture. Your Irvin example is interesting, and correct, because I don’t think he should be in, but because he belonged to possibly the most complete team of the Super Bowl era, similarly to the Bills team that is slowly being worked into the Hall. But if you compare Smith to those WR’s who have already got in, he doesn’t shine, especially with Moss, Bruce, Holt and TO all coming into Hall contention.
Secondly there are only 3 Broncos on the All-Decade Team for the 1990’s but if you include the 2nd team you get a few more, but I guess you are including Neil Smith, whose worst years were with the Broncos, and Zimmerman, whose career was split between the Broncos and Vikings and is in the Hall. So of the five “Broncos” you include (we’ll exclude Smith who struggled in Denver and is viewed as a Chief) in the All-Decade Team, 3 of the 4 1st Team are in the Hall, so I don’t see the issue here, especially when others on that 1st All-Decade Team haven’t made it.
As for TD, you can say what you want, but I’ve had this conversation with those much more prepared and in a much less confined space, but I will say, when compared to the careers of Holmes, Alexander, Bettis, LT and even borderline Hall guys like Barber, Dillion, James and Watters, the only thing he separates himself is with his post-season heroics, but each of these guys have one thing that seperates them from TD.
I love TD, he actually is my favorite Broncos ever, above Elway, every time the Hall votes, I pray he gets in, but that’s the Broncos fan in me, it’s hard for the football fan in me to accept him getting in automatically. I love the Broncos, I hope we get more Broncos in the Hall, pure and simple, but if I’m asked to be unbiased, I will.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Understood and I assume your in title you meant Rod Smith not neil
I was referring to both teams seeing as i’d guess at least half from the all decade second team are or will also be in the hall. Many of whom do not have two super bowl titles. I guess my point is this we could go on all day on whether certain Broncos are worthy my opinion is the four I talked about are considering their achievements accolades and success. Looking at other back to back champions these teams were rewarded for such a feat as seen by the high number of players in the hall especially if you break it down to who got in from their back to back teams. Hell the Bills and Vikings losing four SB’s were more rewarded than our back to back teams which is sickening to me. Point blank these aforementioned men (Not McCaffery Neil Smith or Bubby Brister haha) have comparable stats to many Hall of famers and have the hardware of back to back Super Bowls wins which very few men who have played in this league have. My belief is if they played for any major market team they would already be hall of famers. It’s ok to have the only 2,000 yard rusher not in the hall especially considering he won every single substantial award a player could win? To me it isn’t. Winning to me trumps stats ask Kyle Orton. It should and in the hall it has for every back to back champion except our Broncos.
Tebow time is coming on like a freight train. Orton is stumbling over every plank, tie and rail.
You're not taking the Elitist HoS Grandpa road are you?
You don’t consider us mindless ‘homers’ that can not distinguish between our favorite Broncos player and a player that is HoS worthy, do you?
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
I don't consider most people here that way
But many are, and if there are two similar players and one is a Bronco, I know which player most would choose here. I’m not saying that’s bad, Pats fans are the same, same for the Eagles, Cards and Colts fans. That is just the nature of being a sports fan.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
About being a Bronco homer
To me this is more along the lines of leveling the playing field rather than being a homer. It’s hard for me to look at the list above in the post and not say hey something isn’t right here. There is no way we shold have the most Super Bowl appearances 3rd most all time with back to back titles and have the least hall of famers in the Super Bowl era out of any team in our division. That just frankly is an injustice. If we had great enough players to get us two rings and six AFC championships we certainly had more than 3 players (Elway, Sharpe, Zimmerman) during that time span that should be in the hall plain and simple.
Tebow time is coming on like a freight train. Orton is stumbling over every plank, tie and rail.
Read your profile Topher Haha
must make for some unbearable losses and some great gloating wins being stuck with a bunch of sparkler fans. Haha
Tebow time is coming on like a freight train. Orton is stumbling over every plank, tie and rail.
Gracias
Tebow time is coming on like a freight train. Orton is stumbling over every plank, tie and rail.
We have a lot of players that are deserving to be there...It's a shame.
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Unfortunately true
Attention needs to be brought to this. Astounding our division all came into the league together and we have the most SB appearances second most titles and the least HOFers… Huh?
Tebow time is coming on like a freight train. Orton is stumbling over every plank, tie and rail.
by BillBert11 on Feb 7, 2012 10:31 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
You know I kinda get it
I’m gonna get smashed here but I made a comment on TD the other day about this. I’m in no way comparing their talents but TD was only at his peak for around 3 years. Does it matter? Maybe, maybe not. I thought about a running back called Shaun Alexander who played for Seattle, won an MVP, ran behind a great Seattle Offensive Line, had an amazing few years and then couldn’t get a job. No one would ever bring his name up for the HOF. I’m not saying TD was the same guy. But those circumstances can be hard to argue against. (I’m sure i’ll get smashed for this paragraph!! But I’m just using a little perspective).
Loved Rod Smith. I’m not sure that many people truly think he’s HOF. He was long term, consistent, great… but brilliant? I dunno. Mercurial is how id describe him.
I think Gradisher should be in.
Atwater should be in too. His interception totals unfortunately undermine his career tackle total and his intimidation factor. Atwater should be in.
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 8, 2012 7:38 AM MST reply actions
So how would you describe Michael "Have some Coke and a Smile" Irvin?
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by KoloradoKaos on Feb 8, 2012 12:14 PM MST up reply actions
Nothing?
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by KoloradoKaos on Feb 9, 2012 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
Mate i'm in another time zone
And yesterday the fanposts were down. Give me a break.
And dude, where did I say anything about Irvin being better than Smith? Irvin earned his reputation early in his career and carried it through till he retired. Rod came into his own later in his career and I think that is ultimately what cost him.
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 9, 2012 6:12 PM MST up reply actions
O&B interesting thought here
Have you noticed often with hall of famers they have a signature play along with the stats and rings. Well with Rod he had two his first TD ,over Darrell Green, and his 80 yarder in Super Bowl 33, which both were early in his career. Point being Irvin is in the hall because of the logo on his helmet and the media that comes with it, not the man inside the helmet. Their stats are way similar Smith has a legit case as well. Thanks for reading though love the picture
Tebow time is coming on like a freight train. Orton is stumbling over every plank, tie and rail.
Yeah I remember those plays
I dunno man. I agree that their stats are comparable though Irvin has a high yards per catch. Irvin was always more high profile. Rod Smith was a workhorse-type.
I liked your post Bill. Cheers man.
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Feb 10, 2012 4:10 AM MST up reply actions
Where did I say that you said anything about Irvin being better then Smith?
I just wanted to know how you would describe Irvin, since you tried to describe Smith and Irvin is in the HoS and Smith is his statistical equal. That’s all. Don’t read into it too much.
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by KoloradoKaos on Feb 10, 2012 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
A case for TD & Rod Smith compared to other HOFrs
I argue that TD has as big of an impact on the game during the years he played as Jim Brown did and his season averages bear this out. Its also clear that Rod’s numbers kill Belitnikoff’s. As a legal precedent is set with rulings on cases, football greatness is defined by those in the HOF. It is clear that Gradishar, Atwater, Davis & Smith should all be in the Hall.
Fred Belitnikoff
| Years | Games Played | Receptions | Rec / G | Yards | Yds / G | TDs | TD / G | Championships |
| 14 | 190 | 589 | 3.1 | 8974 | 47.23 | 76 | 0.4 | 1
Rod Smith
| Years | Games Played | Receptions | Rec / G | Yards | Yds / G | TDs | TD / G | Championships |
| 12 | 183 | 849 | 4.64 | 11389 | 62.23 | 68 | 0.37 | 2 |
Jim Brown
| Years | Games Played | Attempts | Yards | Yds / G | TD | TD / G | Championships | Single Season Rank |
| 9 | 118 | 2359 | 12312 | 104.31 | 106 0.9 | 1 | 4 |
Terrell Davis
| Years | Games Played | Attempts | Yards | Yds / G | TD | TD / G | Championships | Single Season Rank |
| 7 | 78 | 1655 | 7607 | 97.52564 | 60 | 0.769231 | 2 | 11 |
by AttwaterForHOF on Feb 8, 2012 11:57 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Screw up
Jim Brown – Single Season Rank – 11th
Terrell Davis – Single Season Rank – 4th
by AttwaterForHOF on Feb 8, 2012 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
Rod Smith was more productive then Michael "Pimp Daddy" Irvin.
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
by KoloradoKaos on Feb 8, 2012 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
Bingo Atwater
Tebow time is coming on like a freight train. Orton is stumbling over every plank, tie and rail.
One of the other things that ticked me off about our Elitist HoS Grandpa
was that fact that he had the nerve to insinuate that we (Bronco fans) were mindless ‘homers’ that didn’t have the knowledge to distinguish between HoS worthy players and simply our ‘favorites’. None of us are saying that Riley Odoms and Steve Foley should be in the damn HoS!
Speaking of TEs, it was an obvious slap in the face to Shannon Sharpe and the Denver Broncos that it took three years to vote in the greatest TE of all time. He was not an OG on the Bucs for Tebow sake. He was an unstoppable offensive weapon the likes of which the NFL had never seen before. He not only held every TE record, ranked among the leagues best WRs, was a very, very key component of ‘three’ super bowl winning teams and also ‘blocked’ for the greatest rushing attack in league history. The HoS is also about ‘league changers’ and ‘team changers’. Well the Ravens sure as hell do not win a Super bowl without Shannon Sharpe.
Victory is sweet, even deep in the cheap seats.
TRIVIA ANSWER
of the 15 NFL all decade players with a ring ten are already in. of the five left… Shockingly we have three Broncos Steve Atwater, Terrell Davis, Neil Smith, Mark Stepnoski, and Leroy Butler
Tebow time is coming on like a freight train. Orton is stumbling over every plank, tie and rail.
by BillBert11 on Feb 8, 2012 12:50 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Thank You
and thanks for reading
Tebow time is coming on like a freight train. Orton is stumbling over every plank, tie and rail.
So
This seems a good spot to say thanks again to all the staffers that lead the last HOF push. That was a great and successful effort. I like that the flame stays lighted here for our players. If not here. where? If not now, when?
Rah!
Go Broncos!
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Damn Right!!!
Ready to run through a wall!!!!! haha, but true
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