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Manning v. Brady: The Playoffs


Hey folks, hope everyone is having a good day. I have to admit that there have been some things that have bothered me from an opinion standpoint. One was that Peyton Manning is sub-par in the playoffs with a 9-10 record. That bothered me not because I had an opinion either way, it bothered me because I wasn't sure. After an extensive study that you can check out here I concluded that it's probably best to say it takes a team effort and while PM is great, he's not great consistently in the playoffs.

Now I'll get this out of the way now for those that cry bias. I don't like Tom Brady at all. I don't particularly like him as a player (though I do respect him), and I absolutely hate the Patriots. I'm also not here to poke fun at him for some silly photos that are out there or poke holes at his accomplishments out of spite. He's won several championships, has many individual accolades, and is one of the best QB's of our era. He gets a lot of credit for the Patriots 16-6 record, but do his numbers match the praise?

In my PM study, I assigned grades to individual performances and totaled everything up to provide an overall analysis and evaluation. It is completely subjective, but those that read this for the most part thought I was fair and objective in my evaluations. Even if you disagree with me slightly about a specific game here or there, it still should end up pretty close.

Here is the playoff evaluation for Peyton Manning:

ResultCompAtt% YDSTDINTGradePoints GPA
L 19 42 45.2 227 0 0 D 1/4
L 17 32 53.1 194 1 0 C 2/4
L 14 31 45.2 137 0 2 F 0/4
W 22 26 84.6 377 5 0 A 4/4
W 22 30 73.3 304 3 0 A 4/4
L 23 47 48.8 237 1 4 F 0/4
W 27 33 81.8 458 4 1 A 4/4
L 27 42 64.3 238 0 1 D 0/4
L 22 38 57.9 290 1 0 C 2/4
W 30 38 78.9 268 1 3 D 2/4
W 15 30 50.0 170 0 2 F 0/4
W 27 47 57.4 349 1 1 A 4/4
W 25 38 65.8 247 1 1 B 3/4
L 33 48 68.8 402 3 2 B 3/4
L 25 42 59.5 310 1 0 B 3/4
W 30 44 68.2 246 2 1 B 3/4
W 26 39 66.7 377 3 0 A 4/4
L 31 45 68.9 333 1 1 C 2/4
L 18 26 69.2 225 1 0 B 3/4
9-10 453 718 63.1 5389 29 19 C 44/76 2.32

Out of my evaluations PM had the following ranks for games:

A Games: 5

B Games: 5

C Games:3

D Games: 3

F Games: 3

"Overall GPA:" 2.32

Now let's take a look at Tom Brady:

ResultCompAtt%YDSTDINTGradePointsGPA
W 32 52 61.5 312 0 1 C 2/4
W 12 18 66.7 115 0 0 D 1/4
W 16 27 59.3 145 1 0 C 2/4
W 21 41 51.2 201 1 0 C 2/4
W 22 37 59.5 237 1 1 D 1/4
W 32 48 66.7 354 3 1 A 4/4
W 18 27 66.7 144 1 0 A 4/4
W 14 21 66.7 207 2 0 A 4/4
W 23 33 69.7 236 2 0 A 4/4
W 15 27 55.6 201 3 0 A 4/4
L 20 36 55.6 341 1 2 C 2/4
W 22 34 64.7 212 2 0 A 4/4
W 27 51 52.9 280 2 3 D 1/4
L 21 34 61.8 232 1 1 D 1/4
W 26 28 92.9 262 3 0 A 4/4
W 22 33 66.7 209 2 3 D 1/4
L 29 48 60.4 266 1 0 C 2/4
L 23 42 54.8 154 2 3 F 0/4
L 29 45 64.4 299 2 1 B 3/4
W 26 34 76.5 363 6 1 A 4/4
W 22 36 61.1 239 0 2 F 0/4
L 27 41 65.9 276 2 1 B 3/4
16-6 499 793 62.9 5285 38 20 C 53/88 2.41

Out of my evaluations Tom Brady had the following ranks for the games:

A Games: 8

B Games: 2

C Games: 5

D Games: 5

F Games: 2

"Overall GPA:" 2.41

Tom Brady holds the edge in great games at a 8-5 clip, holds an edge in average games at a 5-3 clip, but also has more combined D/F games at a 7-6 clip. Peyton Manning edges Brady out in good games at a 5-2 clip. Overall they both have the same amount of combined Great/Good games at 10 apiece. Brady edges Manning in overall GPA by 1/10 of a point. While Brady has had more great games, the comparison is relatively close across the board which is represented by the overall closeness of the GPA.....and the overall numbers which we'll look at next.

Head to Head Playoff Stats---All Time:

CompAtt%YDSY/ATDINTRATING
Brady 499 793 62.9 5285 6.6 38 20 87.8
Averages 22.7 36.1 240.2 1.73 .90
Manning 453 718 63.1 5389 7.5 29 19 88.4
Averages 23.8 37.7 283.6 1.53 1.0

Keep in mind that Brady has played in 22 playoff games and Manning has played in 19 playoff games, so that is why I included game averages. So what do we see from the numbers? You can see that both are in a virtual tie in average completions and attempts per game, and therefore completion percentage. Brady holds the edge in TD's. If we were to extrapolate PM's averages out to 22 games like Brady, he would have 34 TD's and 22 INT. Brady would hold the edge in both, though they would still be relatively even. Manning holds a significant advantage in average yards per game and yards per attempt, besting Brady by almost a full yard per attempt. He holds a slight advantage in QB rating though it is a virtual deadlock here as well.

So is this what you expected to see from Tom Brady and PM? Did you expect Brady to hold more of an advantage seeing as he has two more championships and 7 more playoff victories? How does this all jive together?, Brady has the superior record yet they've put up similar kinds of games and similar stats.

The answer to me lies the fact that this is a team game. If you look at Brady's early performances (first 5), he doesn't have a single good or great game grade, yet his team still won every single contest. He didn't have to be great, he had a lot of help. To illustrate my point further, let's take a look at specific records in specific situations.

ManningPerformance/RecordWin %Brady Performance/RecordWin %
A: 5-0 1.00 A: 8-0 1.00
B: 2-3 .400 B: 0-2 000
C: 0-3 000 C: 3-2 .600
D: 1-2 .333 D: 4-1 .800
F: 1-2 .333 F: 1-1 .500

It should be no surprise that when both have great games, they have perfect records. Both have also been let down when they have had good games/solid performances. What I want to focus on is when they have average, bad, and horrible games because this is where you find the the greatest discrepancies.

Brady, when having an average or worse game has a combined record of 8-4. Manning, when having an average or worse game has a combined record of 2-7. As a general observation, when Brady has struggled, his team has helped pick him up, and when Manning has struggled, his entire team struggled. I suppose another example to hammer this point home, when Brady was injured and out for the season, his team still compiled a 10-5 record without him (yes I'll credit him the victory in the game he was injured). When Manning was hurt and out for the season, his team went 2-14 and ended up with some Luck.

Final Thoughts

Did your mind change either way after seeing them put side to side in a thorough evaluation? Maybe, maybe not. Both are arguably top 5 all time. Brady gets a lot of credit, and Manning is saddled with the "struggles in playoffs" monkey. Yet when put side to side, their numbers are comparable. Bottom line, it is a team game and I would venture to say that if Manning had more of the support from his team that Brady had, the records and rings might be closer. Maybe it is best to hedge your sentiments about both, Brady probably doesn't deserve the lions share of credit as Manning doesn't deserve the lions share of blame. It's a team game, I hope you come away from this with more appreciation of overall team play, even if individuals----especially quarterbacks garner most of our attention and therefore most of our praise/blame.

*EDITED*

I wanted to include this in the comment section but couldn't format it correctly, so I'll include here at the end, some more comparisons for you stat junkies:

Brady

W/L

Manning

W/L

Games with 0 TD’s

3

3-0

4

1-3

Games with 1-2 TD’s

15

9-6

10

4-6

Games with 3-4 TD’s

3

3-0

4

3-1

Games with >4 TD

1

1-0

1

1-0

Games below 50%

0

---

3

0-3

Games 50-59%

7

5-2

5

2-3

Games 60-69%

13

9-4

7

3-4

Games 70% +

2

2-0

4

4-0

Games less than 150 yds

3

3-0

1

0-1

Games 151-199 yds

1

0-1

2

1-1

Games 200-299 yds

14

10-4

8

3-5

Games 300 yds +

4

3-1

8

5-2

Games with 0 INT

10

9-1

8

3-5

Games with 1 INT

7

4-3

6

4-2

Games with 2+ INT

5

3-2

5

2-3

Games with <80 Rating

9

6-3

7

3-4

Games with 81-90 Rating

4

2-2

4

2-2

Games with 91-100 Rating

2

1-1

3

0-3

Games with >100 Rating

7

7-0

5

4-1

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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