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What To Watch For: Monday Night Denver vs. Tennessee

I've been out of town since Monday, so my prep (for our game against TENN) is later than usual.  Before I get started I want to give a couple of shout outs for two terrific articles I read at Milehighreport.com when I got home.

Everything I read at MHR is high quality, and I love the opportunity to interact with authors (something you can't do at most sports media sites).  Because of my long absense I missed the chance to jump in on the conversation on the article by MattR "In The Year 2000 (and 10)".  It was based on a diary I wrote, and MattR took it the extra mile and did a slam dunk job.  Great job!

Also, Styg50 did some terrific opposition research on TENN in his article "On The Radar: Tennessee Titans".  I'm going to steal a point he makes, to wit: Denver's match-up problem with a no-huddle approach that TENN likes to use from time to time.

Let's get on to business.  We'll break down the Xs and Os and create a game plan for both teams, then see where it takes us.  As always, jump in with your comments and questions.  This looks to be a good game.

TENN rush offense versus DEN rush defense

The question always seems to be, "Which rush defense will show up for Denver?"  Will it be the defense that showed up against KC, or DET?

There is no way to know for sure, but a couple of things point in favor of the better Broncos defense.

  • With time Denver has more opportunity to learn the "Run Contain" system.
  • Denver's "call out" at practice one day without the coaches present seemed to boost this rush defense dramaticly.
Denver has tweaked and moved away somewhat from a true run contain system, so it is hard to determine the first point (above) about Denver learning the Bate's scheme.  But the motivation factor of the second point should carry on through this game.

Assuming Denver does keep aspects of the run contain, Denver matches up very well against TENN.

Vince is a scrambling, exciting young QB.  He is fun to watch, and should have a terrific future.  But a plus of the run contain system (Bate's scheme) is that there is no need to assign a LB to cover the QB.  (A player assigned to cover a scrambling QB is called a "spy").

When a spy is assigned there is a breakdown for the defense in almsot every system.  But in the run contain there is already a MLB assigned to a run zone in the center, and the draws and delays are blocked by the DTs locking the center of the line.  The scrambling QB ends up vectored into the same lanes in the manner as any RB by the DEs and OLBs.  In short, a system advantage for DEN is that QB runs, as well as an unexpected handoff to a FB doesn't effect the defense in a negative manner.

Vince needs to focus on improving his 68 QB rating and leaving the rushing aside.  I think most TENN fans want to see the QB rush, but this isn't the match-up (even against a weak rush defense) because of the Denver scheme.  Never the less, even if it isn't designed, Vinny is a natural and effective runner and will run if pressured.  If Denver stays disciplined (each man plays his role) the system should benefit DEN.

How about L. White?  He is a good rusher, but won't have the advantage of having Henry (TENN's Henry) to spell him (remember Mile High air).  He is coming off of injuries, but should be ready to go.  Can he damage the weak but surging DEN rush defense?  It depends on how Norm Chow (TENN OFF coordinator) approaches this game.

TENN needs to run several no-huddles.  The weakness of the run contain scheme is the need for heavy DTs and their weakness against no-huddle.  No-huddle kills a run contain set up.  And TENN has this technique in their bag of tricks.

TENN not only needs to wear down the DTs, but they need to play the "run first" and conservative pass game that Coach Fisher is known for.  If Fisher and Chow stick to the run they should eventualy wear down the DEN def, and the short passes should make the LBs bite enough times to get out of position when Vince plays occassional play action.

The DEN OLBs should be focused on vectoring the run to the middle, not playing against the pass.  But with Lynch back (and playing in the box) and with the sheer number of runs TENN should make, the short passes should become effective.

Ok, that segues nicely into:

TENN pass against DEN pass defense

Advantage Denver.  TENN has good, solid WRs.  Gage and Moulds are terrific possesion receivers, and Brandon Jones is effective in the slot.  But Bailey and Bly are not only an awesome tandem, they have particular advantages over their assignemts Monday night.

  • With Hamza getting the nod to play at safety (at last), Bailey and Bly get the speed/range back-up they need to take chances.
  • Denver should win the pass rush battle on the line.  We'll miss rookie Moss at DE, but Doom and Crowder still have the edge (gotta love the DE depth).  Vince should see a lot of pressure this game.  He has an excellent opportunity for interceptions.
  • As Styg50 points out in his article, neither TENN WR is known for YAC.  Yards after carry for Gauge and Moulds indicates that they fight hard for the ball, but lack either the break away acceleration or agility to get going right after the pass.  Even when Vince connects, speed demons Bailey and Bly should be right there to make immediate tackles.
  • I expect Foxworth (not Paymah) to cover Jones.  This should be an even match-up, but not common since TENN should runn often and use (mostly) run formations without a slot.  TENN will focus on the run unless they get in trouble early.
DEN rush offense vs. TENN rush defense

TENN has a great rush defense.  They don't have any weaknesses at LB or on the D-line.  On the other hand, Denver features an effective rushing attack.  Who wins this match-up?

I believe the key to this game is Haynesworth.  If he doesn't play (injury) then the TENN defense breaks down (much in the same way the DEN run contain scheme breaks down without effective DTs).  If he does play the match-up is even.

I don't expect Henry to play.  Young is an excellent starter, Hall is an excellent back-up (as is M. Bell), and Denver's banged up O-line is still running an effective zone block system because our back up players are doing so well.

Here's something I expect to develop.  I think Young (despite his speed) stays away from running sweeps.  Expect one cut runs up the middle most of the game.  This will aid the Mile High air in wearing down the TENN defensive line (read "Haynesworth"), and aid the bootleg for Cutler.

Denver pass offense vs. TENN pass defense

Shout out to TENN contributer DannoE.  He correctly points out the effective players of TENN's DBs.  I only disaree on one small point.  I wouldn't call them underated.  Maybe the sports media overlooks them, but I sure don't.  (See DannoE's comment attached at the tail of Styg50's piece on TENN players).

TENN features something I wish DEN had, two excellent safeties.  Hope and Griffin have the ability to cover the deep zones and allow for CB errors and to stop deep rushing plays.  

Finnegan is a heavy hitter, and should be covering Marshall (who is both big and fast).  Finnegan is not a big guy though, being both short and light he plays with a lot of heart and is known for a mean streak.  Marshall should win jump balls and speed contests, but if Finnegan plays off of Marshall and makes the hit on recpetion then Marshall will be one hurting unit.

With Harper out (I suspect this to be the case) Hill comes in.  If Walker were playing I would expect this to be an excellent advantage for Denver.  But Stokely has the start.  Both Stokely and Hill are good players that could start for most NFL teams, and both are filling in for #1 positions (at WR and CB repsctively).  This looks even to me.

Fuller is a terrific nickle back, and Martinez is an excellent slot receiver.

In short, we have good match-ups for both teams, since we feature good WRs against equaly good CBs from TENN.  Expect TENN to use their front four to go after Cutler, while keeping the LBs in run defense.  I don't expect TENN to blitz much.  TENN might play some dbl coverage by running safeties in front of DEN receivers, while the CBs play under.

Conclusion

TENN features a well rounded defense, anchored by Haynesworth.  If he is out I pick Denver to win this game (Yes, I think Haynesworth is that crucial).  If Haynesworth stays in...

Denver features a great pass defense that should be improved with Hamza now starting at safety.  I give the passing game edge to Denver on offense (Cutler and crew over Vince et al).  The running game for either team is a toss-up.

Edge - Without Haynesworth: Denver
       With Haynesworth: slight advantage Denver

Intangibles:

  • Denver homefield advantage
  • Extra day of prep and rest favors Mike's game prep skills and recpvery for key injuries to Denver over key injuries to TENN
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Now for some fun points.

  1. TENN Coach Fisher (good buddies with Coach Mike) used to be a Bears CB (a 7th round draft).  His special teams NFL career was ended by a tremendous hit from none other than former PITT Coach Cower, who was also an NFL player at the time.
  2. I just looked over at sportingnews.com and read the following article:
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=262643

I disagree with many, many items and I thought it would be fun to point out why.  This might be a good lesson on why sports writers should understand schemes run by teams.

Better QB - Vince Young?  Nah.  Vinny's QB rating is 68, but Jay's is 82.

Titans key #1 - Yes, Olsen and Bell (TENN OGs) can move Adams and McKinley, but from a scheme peerspective I don't see center Mawae getting through to Williams (MLB).  More likely is for one of the OGs and Mawae to occupy the DTs while the remaining OG goes after Williams.  OLBs should be leaving their contain assignement once the run goes to the inside and would collapse to the center, and the better team wins the ensuing play.

Also in Titans key #1 - "...this should keep Denver from running a designated pass defense every down".  Wrong.  Denver's scheme doesn't run pass defenses.  The front seven are always playing containment (not to be confused with zone), and the CBs and safeties (or just one safety because of Lynch's speed) are always in pass (man to man for the CBs).

Titans key  #2 - I believe Foxworth is an even match for Jones.  Paymah nearly so.  All three players are underrated.  The SN author underrates Foxworth.

Titans key #3 - While I agree TENN doesn't need to blitz, the rest of the paragraph advises TENN to do obvious things (safeties must keep the play in front of them; play sound football, etc).

Broncos key #1 - Right after mentioning that Denver runs the zone block scheme, the author writes that Young can run behind Kuper, Myers, or Holland.  Uhm, you don't run behind blockers in a zone block scheme.  You one-cut to an open seam.  The blockers are either blocking to their sides or penetrating deep to block a zone.  The runner goes for openings, not following blockers.

Broncos key #2 - Good points on CB sizes, but one MAJOR omission.  The author overlooks an excellent pass coverage safety duo that TENN has.  Cutler will vary his passes, but the long passes will be full of danger.  Cutler may be play called to do some long passes here and there, but almost certainly not to set up the shorter passes.

Broncos key #3 - Blitz on obvious downs?  Well, first that is, uhm, obvious.  But second, it again shows a lack of knowledge for the run contain system.  The DE's always pass rush.  The DTs never pass rush.  Lynch will be in the box, and might blitz at rare moments, but Hamza will not monster blitz.  The LBs may blitz with the loosening of the Bate's system, but with Bailey, Bly, and Hamza in the backfield (and given Denver's scheme and rush defense weaknesses) don't expect it too often.  The blitz also plays into Vince's running abilities.

Poll
Monday Night Football:
Denver wins big
8 votes
Denver wins close
18 votes
Tenn wins close
15 votes
Tenn wins big
2 votes

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Denver Wins Close
The stats handicapping on this game actually gives a 26-19 win to the titans, but after getting all the subjective stuff in, and allowing for a nice cold evening, I have Denver winning 20-17.  Close enough for me, and all the earmarks of a Jason Elam type of game, so on that note, lets hope that Elam's calf isn't bothering him.

Great breakdown once again, HT, I really don't want to take these things for granted, but I think I might be starting to. Friday felt like a long wait to start getting into the Xs and Os.  Also, I posted at musiccitymiracles.com, letting them know about this article.  The Tennessee fans have been kind enough to share some battlefield intelligence both here and over at MCM, where my earlier Titan's post is duplicated.  Lot's of points raised over there as well by DannoE, hartley, and others.  It is worth checking out.

Last but not least, Haynesworth is looking more and more like he won't start.  I won't hold my breath, but if he doesn't start, would that possibly prompt the Titans to go into a no huddle model sooner?  There is something to be said for a VY vs. Jay-C matchup, and for that to be a real threat VY needs to get into a flow out there.  I have made myself perfectly clear that I am not interested in finding out how we stack up against VY in the no huddle, but damn, that would be an exciting game.

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 16, 2007 11:58 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thank you again
Lots of stats can predict the game either way.  The best case I can make for TENN (and it is a strong one) is that I highly respect the balance of TENN's defense.  I also respect Fisher.  Many people think Fisher is too conservative, but I think he plays a safe offensive system that fits his player's skills.  Fans want to see flash and chance taking, but Fisher calls a good game that gives opponents little opportunity.

But I like many of the numbers for DEN.  I like the higher QB rating of Jay Cutler.  I like the fact that Vegas calls the game (close) for Denver.

Oe (small) point I like is to look to the "experts".  Not only Vegas, but most of the ESPN crew (the ones I respect) pick Denver (Hoge, Golic, Schlereth, Wikersham, and Mortenson).  Only Allen and Salisbury pick TENN.  It's not something I would go to to determine MY pick, but it's nice to get the affirmation.

As to pure stats, I also like the projections created by Accuscore.  The simulations their mainframe runs is based soley on stats, and runs contiuously.  The longer it runs, the wider the margin for Denver.  In the last 24 hours it switched the top projected runner to Young from White, and the top projected QB and WR has stayed with Cutler and Marshall.  The percentage shows an increase for Denver of 4 pt.s over the last 24 hours, with the point spread increasing an additional 2 points for Denver.

Again, I stay away from sites like ESPN and Sportingnews until I complete my write up.  Before I hit the submit button I like to look over other sites to see if I might have missed something.  (I added my thoughts on SN at the end of my article because I felt SN was way off, but even they pick Denver).  But in terms of pure stats I think Denver has a bigger edge than in terms of my Xs and Os, where I would call the game a much closer affair.

TENN is a good team in a tougher division than Denver.  Facing HOU twice a year is good practice for going against the zone block, facing INDY twice a year is good practice for facing an offensive beast, and facing JAX twice a year is good practice for facing a system that is very much like Denver's in terms of defense.  I respect TENN, and they would get more recognition if they weren't burdened with an almost immpossible division.  Another words, they are much better than they look.

I call it close for DEN.  I think we have the stats on our side, but I think the stats are skewed by JAX's tough division.  I think we win the Xs and Os battle, which is what I try to assess in my stories.  

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 17, 2007 7:37 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I forgot to reply to your no huddle question
I do not think the no huddle will depend on if Haynesworth plays, mostly because he is a defensive player and the no huddle is an offensive technique.

I think your point might be that with a weakened defense, TENN might want to get that early lead.  But Fisher is a very careful, very conservative play caller.  I wouldn't doubt that he might script an early no huddle, but the ground game should star for both teams.  I say "should".  Either team plays better with a lead and a good rushing attack.

Bottom line, I would be dissapointed if TENN didn't use the no huddle in at least two drives.  As I said earlier, the no huddle is DEATH for a run contain system.  It's purpose is to wear down giant DTs who are unable to get off of the field during the drive, and without the DTs the ENTIRE defensive scheme breaks down.  It also might force early time outs against a DEN coach that isn't known for keeping his time outs.  The only defense Denver has against the no huddle is:

  • It is hard to execute, even for a seasoned QB,
  • It is frought with opportunities for turnovers and penalties against the offense,
  • It is hard to run more than a couple of drives per game, so you can't base the whole game around it.  Even Manning (the good one) runs it once per game when it is utilized.
TENN might just run it to lead to a quick snap and catch Denver with 12 men on the field.  It wouldn't effect a full drive, but would be "cute" for a quick penalty against DEN.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 17, 2007 7:50 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Just looking over the schedule
Nice to see the troubles our division foes face.

KC at INDY, OAK at MINN, and SD at JAX.  Nice chance for us to move up the leaderboard this week for a division spot in the playoffs.

Also, our opponent (TENN) is one of the teams ahead of us for an (unlikely) wild card berth.  A win would be nice.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 18, 2007 1:04 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

i think
CHI and MIN threaten to be our most likely letdown games, since they are good for no more than a half-game.  It would kill me if we went 0-4 against the NFC north, but there is no doubt they might show up to play when it comes time.  KC is toast this week, and it won't be a pretty sight.  I really want to believe that SD sucks, especially after last week, but mostly I just see a fantastically inconsistent team when I watch them, and a bone-headed QB.  JAX is also inconsistent, but because of injuries, not coaching.  I expect SanDiego to win this game, so we have to win.  Two games behind could decimate our momentum, and we need all we can get for when we roll into SD in a few weeks.

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 18, 2007 10:29 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on every point.
I couldn't agree more.

SD vs JAX could go either way.  As inconsistent as SD is (and as inconsistent as we are), our own game against SD is something to be concerned about.

We have to beat SD just to even our record with them this year (since they won the first game), and we have to do it at their house.  That should be tough.  Setting aside issues like which team is better and the quality of individual players, SD has an advantage in terms of scheme match-up (which is where my stories are focused on).  Fortunately SD has a tough road ahead, and I think we have a chance of cathing or passing them.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 18, 2007 11:40 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Developing games - AFC West
  1. KC and INDY is a comedy.  Both teams are missing FGs in easy range, and partway into the second quarter the game is tied at zero.
  2. MINN is beating OAK, which I would have expected.  Neither team is very good, but I like MINNs system match-up against OAK.
  3. SD is behind JAX.  I think SD is the better team overall, but inconsistent.  Jax matches up against SD on both sides of the ball well in terms of scheme.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 18, 2007 11:55 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

developing
KC finaly gets a FG and leads INDY 3-0.  I hope there isn't an upset in the brewing (lol).

OAK/MINN remains close,

JAX still fending off SD.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 18, 2007 12:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I really
like the way JAX is getting after SD.  They are treating them like the primadonnas they are.  Gates has gotten some whacks and they are hitting hard and swarming the ballcarrier.  Love it.

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 18, 2007 12:14 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.
Reminds me of the SB when NE was underdogs and beat STL.  Every play, whether the runner had the ball or not they hit him.  They skipped great tackling and smashed the WRs every time they got the ball.  The powerhouse that was STL wore down, and NE started their dynasty.

All of our division foes lost today (hooray!).  Oddest game was KC/INDY.  What's happening to INDY?  Low scoring, and too close for comfort, but INDY got it done.

Ironic, but a win tomorow puts us tied for first (though down in a tie break), but even a loss and we're still in the hunt.  Thank God for a weak division this year!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 18, 2007 5:15 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Croyle looked good
Looks like we will be in for some good matches in the years to come between Cutler and Croyle.
 KC's biggest weakness is an OL that needed to be rebuilt when their Hall of Famers started retireing(Roaf, Shields), their negligence in the draft will probably keep their offense stalled for a couple of years.

by Arctic Bronco on Nov 18, 2007 7:36 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Also
I don't think the KC offense will ever threaten the way it did a few years ago, as long as Herm Edwards is the head coach.  Maybe KC should drop Herm early and try to get Jason Garret before SD has a chance to drop Norvell and go after him.

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 18, 2007 8:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You can add...
...that the loss of the artist formerly known as Priest as well as the slow decline of Gonzales plays a role too.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 18, 2007 11:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

KC Offensive coordinator is also conservative
Over at Arrowhead Pride they are calling for the Offensive Coordinator's head.  Apparently he is a good fit for Herm Edwards' low risk offensive philosophy.  If Tony Dungy can adapt to the offensive talent he inherited then it will be a test of Edwards' ability to develop the talent he has and learn to take more chances.

by Arctic Bronco on Nov 18, 2007 9:38 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Inter-Divisional Matchups
Has anyone noticed our whole division is being killed by the "inter-divisional" matchups (don't know what else to call them)

Denver vs.
AFC South 0-2
NFC North 0-2

SD vs.
AFC South 2-1
NFC North 1-2

KC vs.
AFC South 0-3
NFC North 1-2

Oakland vs.
AFC South 0-2
NFC North 0-3

Granted, these divisions are the best in the AFC and arguably the best in the NFC, so our schedule has been far from easy, but 4-17 for the whole division is just harsh.

That said, I think we do well this game.  The patched up O-line is looking MUCH better, last week looking excellent in run blocking and improving greatly over Det and GB in pass protection.  I see our "O-line of the future" gelling further this game and being a huge part of it.  Hamza is a must-start.  He outplays Ferguson and probably Lynch at this point, but we've seen (at least anecdotally) that our team suffers when Lynch is off the field.  I think that helps shore up our defensive problems, and allows our run defense to continue to improve.

Tennessee is a good team and this will be a hard fought game, but I think the Titans are getting too much credit from the pundits.  They've had a fairly weak schedule so far (at least in comparison to ours - Car is a pretender, NO, Hou, Oak, and Atl range from bad to terrible, TB is pretty decent, Jax is the real deal and should be #2 for the AFC south).

I think we come out very aggressive on our first drive, culminating with a shot deep down the field that will probably go for a TD or an INT, but it should get us raging on both sides of the ball whatever the outcome.

by poorboywilly on Nov 19, 2007 3:55 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I agree
that TEN is not as good as their record indicates, and I think TEN fans will be the first to tell you that.

I also agree that we will come out swinging in this game.  A mike shanahan coached team can only come out flat on offense so many times before he gets riled up.  He WILL have these guys in a position to do something great to start out the game.  Cutler needs to not throw an INT, and we need to punch it in when we get in the red zone.  Both tasks will be difficult against the TEN defense especially if haynesworth is a go at gametime.

One thing about trends this year though...they aren't very trendy.

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 19, 2007 4:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good points Poor!
And yes, interdivision is correct.  What might be a better term would be "common interdivision", which would be more exact.

You get an "A"!

But more seriously, I agree our o-line looks set for the future (though I would like more depth since we can expect probably two retirements at the end of the season).  

I also agree that Hamza solves half of our safety position issues.  Once the Bate's scheme gells (and we have the proper front seven personel) we really need an additional pass coverage guy paired with Hamza.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 19, 2007 4:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

2 retirements?
Do you foresee Lepsis gone too, or is it Hamilton you see retiring?  Speaking of which, any news on how he is feeling?  As for the depth, it would have been nice to see Eslinger stick around, he looked like a Bronco prototype for O-line, and that would have left Myers/Kuper/Hamilton as guards, and possibly Holland still for depth (if he cares to return).  We are a little but thin as it stands though, if you consider who might retire.

Personally, I think Nalen might come back for one more, but that's a storyline for next season.

by poorboywilly on Nov 19, 2007 4:44 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Poor,
Nalen is almost a given.  Both he and Lepsis were asked to extend for one or two years to help Denver out, and both had considerd moving on already.  Hamilton has been the subject of speculation too.  My guess is that Nalen goes, and at least either Lepsis or Hamilton.

I think Meyers has done such a good job of adjusting to center that I think he should stay put there.  I would have liked to see Elinger stay too, but I also think we look good with Kuper and Holland.

I think we need more depth for two reasons.  One, we need to account for injuries but more importantly, two, we need to develop young talent for long term goals.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 19, 2007 5:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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