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Where There's Smoke, There's Al Wilson Trade Rumors


Could Wilson Get Traded?
3/23 - Update #2 -- WILSON TO GIANTS DEAD? -- A strange off-season is getting weirder by the minute. Earlier today, NJ.com reported Al Wilson was in New Jersey for a physical. The Denver Post went so far as to say the trade between the Broncos and Giants would get completed today. Don't sell your Al Wilson jerseys just yet. The latest from both sources say the deal is off. The Denver Post describes the deal as being in limbo. Did Al fail his physical? Did the Giants balk at the trade demands? No one really knows. Stay Tuned!!

3/23 - Update -- TRADE PARAMETERS -- According to Giants101, the Broncos and Giants are close on the parameters of a deal. The story says the Broncos offered Wilson, and the #21 pick to the Giants for DE Justin Tuck, the #20 pick and the Giants 4th Round Pick. The Giants would like the offer "toned down". Thanks to WABronco for the link!

3/22 - Update -- WILSON'S AGENT SPEAKS -- Peter Schaffer, Al Wilson's Denver-based agent has confirmed reports that the Broncos are shopping the 4-time Pro Bowler. Said Schaffer --

"It's a little premature. There are a number of teams that are interested in Al - Al is a player who is definitely in high demand - but no decision has been made even whether Al will be traded, there's a number of moving parts. We're just going to take it one move at a time.

As for Wilson's feelings on the matter, Schaffer told the AP --

"Al Wilson is the consummate professional. He understands the business side of the game. He also understands the Broncos have treated him eminently fairly throughout the course of his career, there's a business side of it. He certainly has nothing but admiration and respect for the fans of Denver and the Broncos organization. He's had a wonderful run here - and I'm not by any means saying that run is over. It may continue."

Those comments seem to reaffirm my position. Remember a couple of years ago. The Broncos allowed Trvor Pryce to field trade offers before he agreed to a contract restructuring. That restructure essentially became a 1 year deal that allowed Pryce to become a free agent after the 2005 season(He was due a huge roster bonus last spring that the Broncos had no intention of awarding). I could see a similar scenario unfolding with Wilson. Stay tuned!

Check it out from the Giants point of view over at BigBlueView, our NY Giants blog!



Adam Schefter needs to catch up.  On March 7, I asked the question that is still on everyone's mind -- Is Al Wilson on the trading block?  It appears as the answer is a resounding yes(we knew that, didn't we?) and according to NFL.com and our old buddy Adam Schefter, the Broncos are close to moving the Pro Bowl Linebacker to the New York Giants, though no word has come out as to what the return compensation would be.

Why would the Broncos entertain thoughts of trading one of their team leaders?  I think I answered that in my 3/7 post as well -- The questions remains, with all the moves the team has made, and all money that hasa been spent, are the Broncos looking to part with a major part of their team, and major chunk of their salary cap, as part of the renovation.  No word has come from the Wilson camp, though hearing your name repeatedly mentioned in trade talks can't do much for you confidence in the team.  Now, a little over two weeks later, Wilson hired a new agent, Peter Schaffer, and he is actively assisting the Broncos in finding a home for Wilson.

If, or more approprately, when Wilson is traded it will be a loss much greater than just tackles and sacks.  Wilson, like Rod Smith, is a team leader on and off the field.  It was obvious to me that Wilson's play digressed last season, even with the Pro Bowl birth, and the injury rap sheet on Wilson, including a scary neck injury in which he was carted off the field on a stretcher, is growing.

I also have my own opinion.  Wilson was active, yet did not play in the season finale against the 49'ers.  Something  tells me Shanny wasn't too happy with Wilson, who declared thumb and back injuries were too much to play through.  That, coupled with the piling injury laundry list, may have signaled the end of the Wilson era in Denver.  I can't blame the Broncos, Wilson probably has 2 years left as an elite player, and his salary cap number - $5.3 million in 2007 - is growing at the same rate his on field play is declining.

Regardless of what happens, Wilson has been a warrior for the Broncos and will always have a place in the heart of Broncos fans.  Sometimes there are casulaties in any fight to be champion, and once again Mike Shanahan is proving he is un-afraid to make waves in order to make the Broncos better.


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Will be a Good move for the Giants,
good move for the Broncos depending on what travels west.

The Giants definitely need an upgrade to the LB corps with only Antonio Pierce there. He'd probably move outside upon Wilson's arrival.

Would Shanahan then want to make a play for Patrick Willis if supposed plans to move D.J. inside aren't true?

by Russ Oates on Mar 22, 2007 6:24 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

That seems...
to be the thought, 4.37 in the 40 alledgedly has Shanny's mouth watering....
-TSG www.thesportsguru.com www.milehighreport.com

by John Bena on Mar 22, 2007 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Willis is inticing
but I think Williams inside is even better, as he has all the skills to be a Pro Bowler inside.

Plus, Willis is expected to move into the top fifteen picks after his workouts this off-season.

Wouldn't it be nice to get Kiwanuka to solve our pass rush woes?  Then perhaps move up aggressively to get Branch to play inside with McKinley and Warren (whose contract makes it look like he's potentially done after this year).

by ohnokoolaid on Mar 22, 2007 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kiwanuka...
Would be a nice grab, especially with how interested the Broncos were in getting him when he was in the draft...
-TSG www.thesportsguru.com www.milehighreport.com

by John Bena on Mar 22, 2007 7:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only question would be
what is Wilson's value in trade.  Rarely are players, even in their prime, dealt for first round picks.  Kiwi was a borderline first last year, but may factor to heavily in New York's plans to warrant moving him even for a top linebacker.

However, with Coughlin on the hot seat and Reese already taking criticism, the Giants could move into "win now" mode, which would help Denver's cause in getting a young roster player.

by ohnokoolaid on Mar 22, 2007 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loging for Kiwi
There is NO WAY the Giants will give you Kiwanuka for Wilson. Kiwanuka is a stud who will be a star for the next 5-6 years. Giants would likely give you  Justin Tuck, a pretty good DE who was hurt much of last year, and some combo of draft picks.

Ed
BigBlueView

by ETVal on Mar 23, 2007 7:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anybody know
what we would get for him?

by FLBroncoFan on Mar 22, 2007 6:31 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Regarding a Wilson trade
as much as I've loved Al, I couldn't help but notice several times last year he absolutely disappeared in games, and remember several post game diaries where I commented as much.  He's starting down the back side of his peak, but in a weak year for linebackers in the draft, and free agency, his value should hold up still.  Losing a team leader sounds bad, but I think the Bates' hire makes up for it because of his fiery, energetic personality.  If the players can't get motivated for Bates, they just won't be motivated, period.

Denver will more than likely need to pursue a linebacker if they in fact move Wilson.  The draft is full of undersized 'backers that would fit in the system, and a sleeper first rounder could be Timmons, who's lanky frame, agility, and speed could make him a pass defending SLB in the Dansby mold.

by ohnokoolaid on Mar 22, 2007 7:39 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

You and me...
think alot alike.  I just got done posting in a thread on the BroncoMania boards where everyone is sobbing over the thought of trading Wilson.  The fact remains he has peaked as a player, and like you said, he was non-existent at times, and just totally missed tackles at others.  All the hand injuries have to be taking their toll, and his cap number just doesn't equal his production.

I imagine the Broncos went to him about a re-structure and he declined.  Sometimes it just becomes time to go your seperate ways, you can't have too much of your payroll stuck in one position...

-TSG www.thesportsguru.com www.milehighreport.com

by John Bena on Mar 22, 2007 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
The one thing I don't like is that Schefter is painting this a bit as a salary dump in response to Denver's recent spending.  That would be more plausible if, as you've pointed out, these rumors hadn't been around since the start of March.  It's more apparent now that Shanahan has expected to move him this off-season, rather than him trying to get relief for recent deals.  

I just don't see the team trailing off much with Williams at middle linebacker.  He's already been wasted by having to leave the field in nickel for Wilson, who struggled more in coverage this year.  Denver moved up in 2005 to get be in position to take a player like Williams, now it's time to get the most out of his talent and at the same time, balance out salaries.

I just hope the returning package is equitable to Wilson's still high level of play, and not to expected future returns and Denver's desire to shed payroll...

Outisde of Kiwanuka, the only roster players I see interestig Denver are Umenyiora and Webster, so I expected the trade to deal more with draft picks, but, Shanahan's biggest strength as a GM is his creativity in trades, so I expect to be surprised.

However, I'd prefer not to be "surprised" and bag Kiwanuka, throwing in Washington's third round pick and a future fourth if need be.  

by ohnokoolaid on Mar 22, 2007 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You think....
It would take that much to get Kiwi??
-TSG www.thesportsguru.com www.milehighreport.com

by John Bena on Mar 22, 2007 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes
I'd say even more myself.  

by WABronco on Mar 22, 2007 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shanny the Gm
Outisde of Kiwanuka, the only roster players I see interestig Denver are Umenyiora and Webster, so I expected the trade to deal more with draft picks, but, Shanahan's biggest strength as a GM is his creativity in trades, so I expect to be surprised.

I'm seeing lots of people bag on Shanny as a GM in general, and I'm wondering where everyone was when he pulled off the CP trade or the Abraham 3-way or the Lelie 3-way...

Webster's and interesting case.  He'd give us a big corner with brief starting experience.  Not bad...

by WABronco on Mar 22, 2007 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh
Did you notice me acting like a big, sarcastic a-hole?

Anyways, I agree with your assessment.  It's purely a business...we can't afford to get all sentimental when it doesn't make sense to pay an aging 'backer a good chunk of cap when you've got two possible replacements in the wings.

Plus you have to look at what we'd get in return, and how much that would help us.

I've seen two sources mention Justin Tuck.  I'd love Tuck and a pick, regardless of Tuck's foot injury (which he's recovering from in time for camp).

by WABronco on Mar 22, 2007 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where did you get the Tuck rumor?
I liked Tuck back in 2005, but would prefer him drop some of his bulk and loosen up his agility to play the right end if he came back this way.  Unless, Denver envisions him playing as a dual threat on the left side.  

Tuck has had limited production, so it's hard to give him too much value.  I'd like to see a scenario where Denver gets Tuck and New York's first for Wilson, Denver's second, and a future pick (2008's 4th?), that would give Denver the chance to take one first and both thirds to maneuver if need be, while having yet another first to get whichever safety, corner, tackle or BPA they fancy.

by ohnokoolaid on Mar 22, 2007 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Giants insider (I think)
http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showpost.php?p=1669263&postcount=172

He mentions Tuck as a possibility.

I really, really think that's the most realistic return involving a player.  Tuck makes a lot of sense for us, and he's positively buried in NY.

I was thinking along the lines of Tuck and a 2nd/3rd round pick, but Shanny's got the moxy to hatch that monster trade and maybe get that no. 20 pick.

by WABronco on Mar 22, 2007 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Update
"The Broncos spoke about Justin Tuck and draft picks in the Dre Bly trade talks. Now Tuck is the centerpiece of the Wilson talk. Apparently the Broncos opening offer was to swap first rounders, the Giants 4th rd pick, and Justin Tuck. The Giants want the offer toned down, but the two sides aren't far apart like they were in the Bly talks."

http://mvn.com/nfl-giants/

The Giants want it toned down?  What the heck!  That's a perfect deal for both sides.

by WABronco on Mar 23, 2007 7:35 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Shaffer stuff
sounds like "agent speak," simply covering all the bases.  The way Schefter has put it on NFL.com and NFL Total Access makes it sound as if the deal is quite close.

Judging how accurate Schefter has been this off-season, I think a deal is closer than what Wilson's camp is leading on.

by ohnokoolaid on Mar 22, 2007 10:20 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow
That says to me that he's good as gone.

Like ohno, I too trust Schefter's word.  He's been dynamite as an insider for NFL Network.

by WABronco on Mar 22, 2007 10:24 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

we almost had #2? Why?
from PFT

BRONCOS ALMOST TRADED UP TO NO. 2

We mentioned several days ago that a team that we did not name nearly pulled off a trade with the Lions for the No. 2 overall pick in the draft.

We can now report that the team was the Broncos.

The package would have included linebacker Al Wilson, who was linked on Thursday night to a potential trade to the Giants by Adam Schefter of NFL Network.  But Wilson's agent, Peter Schaffer, tells the Associated Press that a deal that would send Wilson to New York is not imminent.

"It's a little premature," Schaffer said.  "There are a number of teams that are interested in Al -- Al is a player who is definitely in high demand -- but no decision has been made even whether Al will be traded.  There's a number of moving parts.  We're just going to take it one move at a time."

Schaffer was hired recently by Wilson because his former agent, Norm Nixon, is no longer certified by the NFLPA to represent players.

Wilson, a five-time Pro Bowler, apparently is on the trading block because the team has overspent in free agency.

If the Broncos were to snag the No. 2 overall pick, they likely would be targeting left tackle Joe Thomas, another Schaffer client.  They clearly aren't in the market for a first-round quarterback or running back, given the addition of Jay Cutler and Travis Henry in the past 12 months.  The other possible pick for the Broncos at No. 2 would be receiver Calvin Johnson.

---------------
I could see CJ, but I think we need D too much to go after JT

by SD Bronco on Mar 23, 2007 5:31 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

That's The Thing...
With Florio and PFT.  He usually has decent general information, but has no idea of the juice of the story.

The Broncos wouldn't have drafted Thomas if they had gotten the #2 pick.

CJ, one the other hand, my goodness, what a receiving corp, and AP would look great with a horse on his helmet, regardless of Travis Henry...

-TSG www.thesportsguru.com www.milehighreport.com

by John Bena on Mar 23, 2007 6:50 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is interesting, and not in a good way..
Now its being reported that the trade peramaters are that we will give out 21st and Al Wilson for their #20, Justin Tuck and a 4th rounder. And apparently the broncos are pretty good with this deal.. I don't know about everyone else but i am (and excuse my language) SO FU*KING TIRED OF ACQUIRING AVERAGE AT BEST DE'S, and swapping first round picks and getting a 4th.. WOW hold the presses, this deal is amazing.. I mean give me a break, this is Horrible.. I am not against trading Al, i wouldn't like it, but i am not against it.. But for Justin Tuck and a 4th rounder.. Unbelievable.. Just unbelievable..
How many times are we going to acquire mediocre defensive lineman before we realize we may actually need a above average player to get some god damn pressure on the qb...
If those trade peramaters are true, and thats what we get for our heart and soul on d i will be unbelievably pissed off..  

by btg116 on Mar 23, 2007 10:43 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

What will annoy you more....
is if you read my post, it was the Broncos that alledgedly proposed that deal, and the Giants want to "tone it down".

We all have to be honest with ourselves about what we can get for a soon to be 30 year old LB with some durability questions.  Just being realisitic.  

To get back into the 4th round gives us more flexibility, and Tuck could be a diamond in the rough....

-TSG www.thesportsguru.com www.milehighreport.com

by John Bena on Mar 23, 2007 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right
it isn't Tuck's fault that he was drafted by a team that already had Umenyiora and Strahan, two players who don't need to come off the field on passing downs.  

Tuck carried a first round grade just two years ago, and some injuries (nothing serious or style altering) and a stacked deck kept him off the field.

Tuck's built like Simeon Rice and could be very similar to Reggie Heyward in pass rush ability, with more athleticism and ability off the edge.  To me, Tuck is the equivalent to picking up a second round pick as he's a similar but superior raw talent to Abiamiri.

On top of this, it's very clear that this only kickstarts another deal that Shanahan has in mind, and I'm withholding judgmentuntil we see what Shany makes of the picks and potential trades.

Lastly, it's also quite obvious Shany must think Wilson is damaged goods.  Too many people here think we are dealing early 2000's Al Wilson, not the 30 year old Wilson that had an inconsistent season, is undersized, and is suceptible to more injuries on the back end.  Plus, DJ Williams can actually get on the field in a playmaking role, and I will make the claim right now he will be just as good if not better than Wilson as a middle linebacker.

by ohnokoolaid on Mar 23, 2007 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Don't Like It.
I'm all for value over sentimentality in the NFL, so I support the idea of trading Al as much as anyone else.  That said, this particular deal is pathetic.  What's the plan here: draft an LB (Timmons and/or Posluszny might be available at #20) to play OLB while Williams moves inside and hope that Tuck breaks out instead of breaking down?  So, we're going with a rookie at one LB spot, another player learning a new position and a messaiah at DE that shows little in the way of actually being a savior?  I'm selling this idea faster than I'm selling Al Wilson.  Terrible.

by ejruiz on Mar 23, 2007 12:40 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Why would we draft a linebacker high?
The only opening is on the strong side, and you don't draft SLB's early.  Williams wasn't brought in to play SLB, but to take Gold's place.  When Gold returned, Williams moved over for two ill fated years that only saw the Williams' production and playmaking drop and only led to notable frustration.

This trade is about getting the best guys on the field.  Drafting Timmons in round one just means he'll be shedding blocks and watching from the sidelines on third and long, like Williams has done the past two years.

Clearly, Denver tried putting premium talent at SLB, and it didn't work as everyone hoped.  Denver will not take the same route this time.

If Webster or even Vaughn or Green don't start on the strong side (before laughing, go look at Spraghan's numbers before he left) the rookie Denver would place there would not be a first or secodn round type player.  They could pursue a Stewart Bradley or Earl Everett type in the middle rounds who can do the stack and shed drill as good as one can expect for a rookie.  

Williams brief tenure at SLB showed that this is not the most pivotal rolein Denver's defense.

by ohnokoolaid on Mar 23, 2007 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bummer
Looks like the deal is truly dead.

There's a mix of rumors out there of remaining interest from teams like Philly and Detroit, but I wouldn't expect anything big.  The latest reports out of NY had Denver asking for a mere swap of firsts and a mid-rounder.

Regardless of the NY fiasco, I still think Al's done in Denver.  Any way you look at it--any way you want to rationalize recent developments--there's really no viable scenario that has Al back in Denver to begin the year.

A) They wanted to clear cap space.  

Rather self-explanatory.  I'm not sure why we'd be so interested in moving him if we hadn't already approached him to re-structure (again).

B) The FO wants to get more bang for their buck in regards to DJ Williams.  To do that a spot must be opened at MLB.  Again, not too hard to picture.

C) He's seen as damaged goods on the decline.

If that's the case, why would we even want him back at an inflated price when he's not the same player he was earlier in his career?  

I mean, he must be in really bad shape if the physical was in fact the breaking point.  When NY brought in LaVar last year, everyone and their mother thought he would fail the second he set eyes on the doc.  Look how that turned out.  Look how Emmons turned out.

They've got two guys on the MLB docket.  It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Shanny and Co. think going cost-effective might even be an overall improvement.

D) Perhaps Bates doesn't see him as a fit.

--I think Al can still be an effective player, but if the org. wants to move in a new direction, they're going to make a move.

by WABronco on Mar 23, 2007 7:34 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Flunky
The deal died because Wilson did not pass his physical with the Giants. According to ESPN, they are concerned about his neck injury.

-- Ed
BigBlueView

by ETVal on Mar 23, 2007 7:39 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Schlereth....
It reminds me of when Mark Schlereth came to the Broncos.  He failed physicals for several different teams before passing Denver's....

When asked about it, Schlereth replied, "If they want you to pass, you'll pass."

If they want you to fail, you'll fail...

-TSG www.thesportsguru.com www.milehighreport.com

by John Bena on Mar 23, 2007 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This looks like a power play by New York
though you can't blame them.  Al Wilson does have injury concerns, and if you can knock a few zeros off the price tag, you do it.

The problem with such is that Shanahan isn't known as a guy who backs down, and can play the politics as good as anyone.  

What's interesting is how little is getting out or being reported.  Speculation from beat reporters say the deal is done on one end, but "in limbo" on the other, and the man responsible for breaking the story, Schefter, has hardly said a word regarding it.  Neither side is being overly expressive...

As is the case more often than not, if the team doesn't see a deal, they'll come out and say it publicly, yet we haven't seen a Giants official yet confirm that the team is no longer interested in Wilson due to injury concerns.  More than likely, the Giants are trying to leverage a high standard physical into a more friendly deal.

This is far from over with New York, and Wilson will more than likely be moved at some point this off-season.

Teams won't cry "flunked physical" and then maneuver an "incentive laden" deal out of him, basically "backdooring" the Broncos should they let him go.  First, the Broncos won't allow it, and second, Wilson's medical history isn't so significant for that to be the case, we aren't talking LeVarr Arrington.  

The sad part is that this could become a "He said..." type of ugly public debate, with an upstanding character like Wilson stuck in the middle.  I think it's bad form for teams to leverage physicals to alter moves, since such moves attach a negative stigmatism to the players involved.  We all know Wilson has had injury troubles, the last thing Al wants, however, is for people to be falsely led to believe that his career is near an unfortunate ending...

by ohnokoolaid on Mar 23, 2007 8:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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