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Big News - Shaun Rogers

UPDATE 2 -- The trade talks are still coming in from multiple sources. Now Dewayne Robertson is in the mix. He is not a good fit with Mangini's 3-4 defense, though he might fit well in a 4-3. Rogers would be a good nose tackle for Mangini, how about a 3 way trade? We send something to Detroit, they send Rogers to the Jets, the Jets send us Robertson. We'd need to restructure that $11 million contract though. Way overpaid!

Rogers Update

Robertson Article

END UPDATE 2

UPDATE -- Things don't appear to be as "solid" as they were a few hours ago. The article below has been updated with the following --

All expectations are that enigmatic defensive tackle Shaun Rogers will be gone from Detroit by the time the trading period opens 10 p.m. Thursday.

The Denver Broncos are among the suitors aggressively pursuing the two-time Pro Bowl selection, and at one point Monday, appeared to perhaps be on the verge of acquiring the 6-foot-4 interior defender. But other teams continue making their pitches. And Denver now doesn’t appear to be in the clear.

The Miami Dolphins, Atlanta Falcons, New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers all are trying to fortify their front fours. And the Lions are marketing Rogers aggressively around the league before the start of the new NFL calendar. Rogers’ agent, Kennard McGuire, said he wouldn’t confirm or deny any trade speculation regarding his client.

What is apparent in league circles is that Rogers will be playing elsewhere next season. His battles with weight in particular have apparently worn out Detroit coach Rod Marinelli to the point where a change of scenery would benefit both parties. And there are enough competitors for Rogers’ services that compensation should be sufficient.

Rogers, 28, had his best game last season against Denver, earning NFC Defensive Player of the Week honors with 2 1/2 sacks and a 66-yard interception return for a touchdown. He also had a career-high seven sacks for the season. But he faded the final eight games as Detroit went 1-7 and was reportedly well over his listed 340 pounds, which adversely affected his already balky knees.

Denver also is one of the teams that is pursuing New York Jets defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson, a former top-10 pick who’s being made available since he’s a poor fit as a 3-4 nose tackle and comes at a hefty price.

END UPDATE

I do not really think this guy is a good fit for us, but it looks like we will be cutting a deal to bring this big man onto our team.  

I guess it's a good thing because he did have a great game against us last year.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/feb/25/broncos-closing-in-on-lions-rogers/

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080225/SPORTS0101/802250407/1126

Both cities reporting basically the same thing.  Either everyone is being highly speculative or people within both organizations are running their mouths to the wrong people. ;)

The Broncos are in aggressive discussions to trade for Detroit Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers.

If no hitches develop, the trade is expected to be done as early as tonight or early Tuesday.

It's unclear what the Broncos would give the Lions for Rogers, 28, a University of Texas product.

The 6-foot-4, 340-pounder has drawn the ire of Lions general manager Matt Millen because of weight problems. Millen has said the former Pro Bowl selection could be fined if the issue isn't resolved.

The Broncos' biggest trade last offseason came with the Lions, who sent defensive back Dre' Bly to Denver for offensive tackle George Foster and running back Tatum Bell.

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NO NO NO!
Did we forget that his work ethic has been questioned?  Are the Broncos thinking that they can get a player like Warren was in 2005?

I'm not convinced that this will help in the long run.

fader nation is a conquered nation

by mdierk on Feb 25, 2008 4:58 PM MST   0 recs

Large and not so motivated guy at high altitude
I have got a bad feeling about this.
Go Bronocs

by Boski93 on Feb 25, 2008 5:30 PM MST   0 recs

Call me Debbie Downer...
but I REALLY don't want to see this guy in Broncos orange and blue... Can't we get ahold of a good DT anywhere else??
"I could never quite get the hang of Thursdays..."

by FlaBroncoFan on Feb 25, 2008 5:39 PM MST   0 recs

Are the Lions trying to make up for last year's
bad trade of Bly?  An old tackle who is overweight and has injury problems does not sound like someone who can be of much use to a rebuilding team.

by Arctic Bronco on Feb 25, 2008 6:37 PM MST   0 recs

It appears everyone here
agrees with my assessment.  Shaun Rogers is a worthless pick up for us.  He had 6 good games in Detroit, take our altitude and he will have 3 good games for us.  

Mike must not watch a lot of game film, only the game in which Rogers kicked our arse up and down the field.  Sorry Mike, that was ONE game!

2007=1995 all over again: http://www.milehighreport.com/story/2007/10/1/202724/157

by Zappa on Feb 25, 2008 7:01 PM MST   0 recs

One is better than
Sam Adams provided.  When are we going to start going for players with TALENT, or something resembling thet?  We should stop getting DTs from teams who had trouble with the run. (Browns - Warren, Cincy - Adams, Det- Rogers) Who's next, Rod Coleman out of free agency?  Please say no.  I want young talent.

Key words there being young and talent.

"I could never quite get the hang of Thursdays..."

by FlaBroncoFan on Feb 25, 2008 7:06 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

I liked the idea of that young DT
from the Jets.  Oh well...we can't always get what we want. :)
2007=1995 all over again: http://www.milehighreport.com/story/2007/10/1/202724/157

by Zappa on Feb 25, 2008 7:23 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

Dwayne Robertson?
What happened to that, anyway?  I olnly heard a little bit about that.
"I could never quite get the hang of Thursdays..."

by FlaBroncoFan on Feb 25, 2008 7:36 PM MST to parent up   0 recs

Oy
My sentiment is that of others here... bleh. His weight and work ethic have been questioned (by the LIONS, for pete's sake... are we really reduced to diving in Millen's dumpster?) and one game in which he kicked us blue and orange does not a good addition make. (Lest we also forget, that was also the game in which "Peanut Butter Jelly" Ramsey made his, um, star turn). I'm excited for the draft since it seems we'll be able to make a better pickup at DT/OT there, and I sure hope we're not giving up any of our picks to add Rogers to the squad. We're going to need all of them to upgrade at defensive line/linebacker, so definitely don't use them on fat guys who are going to wheeze in the thin Mile High air and might not want to really put in all that effort anyway...

Pickups like this are why I have been suspicious of the Bowlen/Shanahan two-headed hydra for a while now. I guess we did rob the Lions blind once for Bly, so I suppose they're trying to do it again. Sigh...

by Silverblood on Feb 25, 2008 7:42 PM MST   0 recs

Concerning the update
If three-fourths of the NFC South want to trade for Rogers, they're welcome to do it . . .
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!

by Russ on Feb 25, 2008 8:20 PM MST   0 recs

Maybe Denver is seeking Revange?
You remember how Detroit came out of the draft with a deal for the #2 pick worked out with Denver... then they changed their mind.

They said they wanted Wilson, and then they left Denver hanging high and dry...

Well, maybe we will do all the talk, and then back off at the last moment. Yah, that would be nice (and very mature, I assure you).

Orange County is hot. Really! Haven't you seen the weather report?

by amirebram on Feb 25, 2008 9:14 PM MST   0 recs

Thank god,
I didn't want this guy to begin with.  Perhaps Mike learned his lesson with the Browncos. ;)
2007=1995 all over again: http://www.milehighreport.com/story/2007/10/1/202724/157

by Zappa on Feb 25, 2008 9:18 PM MST   0 recs

To join in the chorus of boos
I will mention that Rogers is scheduled to make $4.25 million, $5.25 million and $7 million the next three years.  Dwayne Robertson of the Jets is due $7.6 million and $4.5 million over the next two years.  I prefer Robertson to Rogers (in terms of talent, motor and character), but Denver would have to redo either of their contracts if they want to swing a trade.

by MattR on Feb 25, 2008 9:30 PM MST   0 recs

Anyone notice
that Walker and Rogers have the same agent?  I would speculate that Walker was part of the deal, if wasn't completely and utterly an insane proposition.  What would the Lions need with Walker?

On the other hand, we have yet to see what kind of deal they are pitching.  I hope that it is a short one, ideally only for a year.  Rogers has something to prove next year if he is on a short contract, and we could dump him regardless of how he performs, for someone else to take a long term chance on later.

At best he is a one year option.  Is that even possible for Denver to do?

by styg50 on Feb 25, 2008 9:55 PM MST   0 recs

I agree with everyone
Rogers doesn't sound like a good gamble.  Add in his money numbers and it just looks worse.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by hoosierteacher on Feb 25, 2008 10:49 PM MST   0 recs

Well, one of the nice things about trading
Ia that all the previous bonus money that had been paid goes out the window.  

In theory I would not be completely opposed to trading a fourth rounder for Rogers and pay him the 4+ million this year since we can cut him after the year without any penalties.  Maybe even make it conditional so that we send Detroit another 3rd or 4th round pick if Rogers is still on the roster in 2009.  (FYI - that $4million is similar to what Gerard Warren's contract called for)

by MattR on Feb 26, 2008 8:11 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

Wow
I guess I'm the only one who likes this potential addition.

Simply put, we don't have one starting-caliber defensive tackle going into next year.  Compared to other teams in the league, we also have a pretty apparent dearth of talent in the front 7.

In my mind, both Rogers and Robertson make a ton of sense given the layout of our team and our goals.  Shanahan is obviously ALWAYS looking to be a competetive team in the tough AFC, and to do that we need more established, talented players....especially on the defensive side of the ball.

Rogers is immensely talented.  I find it kind of amusing that he goes from being talked up as being the best and most explosive tackle in the league one year to being a lazy-ass retread who's not worth a dime the next.  His work ethic issues are cause for concern, just based off previous experience with these types.  But, if we want to take a jump on D and make an attempt to be a playoff contendor, we need to take these types of risks.

In my opinion, the only concern here should be the compensation Detroit would get.  Money isn't an issue, and shouldn't be perceived as one.  The cap is skyrocketing and that sure isn't going to reign Shanny and his obviously reckless spending in.  I actually like that, on top of the fact that he's never been afraid to cut bait on a mistake.  I fully expect Detroit to ask for a 2nd round pick, but can you imagine what a boon it would be to pry this guy away with a 3rd or a package of later picks?  

And, just to make myself clear, in no way am I advocating widespread additions of free agents or trade acquisitions to patch our numerous holes.  We do need to draft and develop at many positions.  But, honestly, DT is and has been a giant blackhole that's been sucking our defense into oblivion for the last few years.  Given our new DC and new scheme, I think it's a good idea to bring in a guy like Rogers or Robertson to give us that much desired, potential rock in the middle in the short term (as opposed to developing one).

by WABronco on Feb 25, 2008 11:46 PM MST   0 recs

The biggest risk
in taking Rogers is if it turns into a 'what-if' scenario.  The last thing we need is for him to be getting playing time ahead of young players who need to be out on the field.

And even before the season roles around, if we land Rogers, how does Denver approach one of the richest crops of DT we have seen in several years?  Balmer, Sims, Laws are all good pickups and will be available when Denver is picking in their prospective areas of the draft...it would be a shame to pass on any of these young men.

by styg50 on Feb 26, 2008 1:16 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

Yes
Well, as of right now, we have no young players worthy of starting over a guy like Rogers, and even if we add one of the aforementioned through the draft we'll still be lucky to be 2 or 3 deep with good players.

by WABronco on Feb 26, 2008 2:05 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

Exactly
Rotation will be needed - we saw that with Rogers this season!

I think it's a fair addition - of course it depends on the price - everything does.

From Denmark, so i excuse my self for un-knowing-ness...

by Claaaaas on Feb 26, 2008 2:28 AM MST to parent up   0 recs

For a 2nd round pick?!?!?
This is ridiculous. Maybe, MAYBE, a 4th rounder.

I would absolutely prefer they get after Robertson. He's younger and there's no comparison when it comes to character. Rogers doesn't just disappear for stretches during a game, he disappears for gameS (yes, plural) in a row. He is a prime example of what the Broncos do NOT need to be building with right now. If they were coming off an 11-5 season with 2 established DT's in place and looking for depth, I could see it. But, does anyone seriously think this should be the guy setting the example for how to be a pro for 2 or more young DT's they'll be drafting this year?  It would serve this team's long-term interests better to get someone who may not have top shelf ability, but has a good motor, is a hard-worker and has a lot of heart rather than vice-versa.

Or so I'm told.

by MN Bronco on Feb 26, 2008 9:03 AM MST   0 recs

I agree
with those who doubt Rogers will be a good addition. I hope the Broncos' front office isn't influenced too much by his game against us. I remember a reserve QB years ago who brought his team back from a 28-3 deficit to beat us 31-28. Naturally, the Broncos traded for him, but he didn't turn out to be anything special (other than that one great game against us).
spock

by spock on Feb 27, 2008 1:38 AM MST   0 recs

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