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Ted Sundquist 'Surpised, Disappointed' By Firing


Sundquist Is Out After 6 Years As GM

Let there be no doubt.  Ted Sundquist was fired from his job as General Manager of the Denver Broncos.  The news surprised Sundquist, and given the fact that team spokesperson Jim Saccomano is out of the office until next week the news had to be a surprise to the rest of the organization as well.

Losing will do this to an organization, and for a team like the Broncos, and a Coach like Mike Shanahan, missing the playoffs two straight seasons is cause for more than concern.  It borders on panic.

Sundquist had spent 16 years with the Broncos, the first 10 in the college scouting department, and the last six as their GM.

"Very disappointed," Sundquist said. "I loved the organization. I started from the bottom and worked my way up. I feel like I've done a good job over the time I've been a general manager."

While Sundquist is well respected within the League, the results over his tenure have been mixed.  If the draft and free agency are his bag, well, the bag hasn't been that full in recent years.  The problem is, no one really knows just how much final say Sundquist had in personnel moves, with Mike Shanahan holding the ultimate say.  The two seemed to have worked in perfect harmony, making decisions with one mind.  That obviously wasn't the case, at least as we moved along the Re-Building Season.

As Mike Klis says, "The timing of the announcement -- a period between NFL free agency and its draft -- leaves little doubt Shanahan and Sundquist had reached irreconcilable differences. Top-level executive shake-ups almost always happen either directly after the playing season, or after the draft."

"I'm surprised," Sundquist said. "I envisioned myself working for the Broncos for the rest of my adult life, and hopefully in the capacity as general manager. I'm disappointed that's not going to happen."

The Broncos now turn to a father-son team to take a more prominent role in personnel decisions.  Jim and Jeff Goodman will be called upon to continue the roster makeover that has started the past couple weeks and will continue during the draft in late April.  Let's hope the two are fast learners.

As for Sundquist, you get the feeling he knew something was in the works, that his relationship with Shanny wasn't what we all thought it was -- ""The question isn't whether Mike is getting the right advice, as much as how it is being used. I think the assumption that our personnel department has somehow let him down and that Denver needs to hire a 'guru' to get things right is a bit off," Sundquist had informed Mark Kiszla of the Denver Post in December.

"I do enjoy my job and understand its responsibilities. This position might be as difficult as there is in the NFL. I'm also extremely confident that if I were to be supplanted as the GM by some 'guru' that I would land on my feet fairly well and probably in an even larger capacity. That's not meant as arrogant, it's just knowing the business."

Personally, I saw the writing on the wall when his blog on Denver Broncos.com disappeared.  Whatever the plan was with his blog, it obviously failed after only 4 posts.  There is no doubt the Broncos will miss Sundquist's ability to talk with other teams and player agents.  That, above anything else, was the strength the Ted brought to the Broncos and might be as important as game plans and cap space.  In the end, the Broncos have moved on.  Changing professors at the mid-term is risky business, and the Broncos will prepare for their final exam, the most important draft of the Shanahan era, without a key component and Shanny has run out scapegoats.

Want more on the firing of Ted Sundquist??  See Below --

Mark Kiszla thinks Shanny needed another scapegoat.  In the same article, Kiszla talks about issues between Sundquist and John Lynch as well.

Not much more from the Rocky Mountain News

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Shanny now has his hand picked men so it will be interesting to see how the draft and the rest of free agency goes. The only constent in Shanahan's organization is Shanahan. We'll see if he gets it right this time.
orangeman

by corangemanr on Mar 13, 2008 8:45 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow!
I didn't see this coming at all.  Makes you wonder if the writing is on the wall for Shanny as well.  I see very few people left that can take any sort of blame for any future struggles we may have.

Shanny must win and win big over the next two years. :(  I just hope this shake up doesn't mean a longer period of decline.

by Tim Lynch on Mar 13, 2008 8:48 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

really hate to say it...
but maybe it's time for shanny to go ......
i dont really want to see him go, but if this is what is gonna happen every year (firings and blame being thrown around) we will end up like the faders in 2-3 years.

by Broncofornia on Mar 13, 2008 9:46 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Shannahan
has taken the blame for last season. (I'm not defending him)He has said that he is the reason we didn't win 10 games and he is the reason we missed the playoffs. I translate that kind of into the positions I hired and the people I worked with aided me in our defeats. I believe Shanny should get a say when it comes to personnel but shouldn't be THE say. That being said Sundquist has really done one hell of a job. Wish him well and we can only hope he doesn't come back to football in the AFC West. Maybe he could help the forty-whiners or the ocean birds in seattle.
Davis to the Hall! "A leader, once convinced that a particular course of action is the right one, must be undaunted when the going gets tough." Ronald Reagan

by Jon Tollerud on Mar 13, 2008 11:03 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Who's to blame?
Shanahan, Sundquist, Bates, Bowlen, Players, Peggy Shanahan, the barrelman, Ralphie the Buffalo??

It's a combination of factors.  I'm sure Sundquist made calls he regrets and the same goes for Coach Shanahan.

I'm just opining here, but I would think that there was a supreme level of tension if Sundquist was fired so surreptitiously.  I'm also of the opinion that things have gone so against the plan that Bowlen is willing to let his coach (who has won 2 Super Bowls, dedicated a quarter of his life to our home team, has won an average of 10 games a year over his 13 seasons as head coach for Denver, and is the face of the franchise) to take complete control of the personnel side of the franchise.  What does he have to lose?  

If Shanny can't get the ship righted and pickup some momentum and a few playoff wins in the next few years, then I think Shanny steps down before Bowlen can give him a pink slip.  Shanny's a pretty stand up guy who'll do whatever it takes to put his team in position to win games and compete for championships, and now that he has all the control he ever wanted, he knows that this is his shot.  If he dos NOT produce results, he'll take it like a man and resign before it gets ugly.

Trust the Mastermind.

by super7 on Mar 13, 2008 1:55 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree.
Let's give Shanahan the helm and see what he does.
100%

by sirsam on Mar 13, 2008 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read Kiszla article at own risk...
If you haven't read much Kiszla you should know that he is superb at creating a portrait that says what HE wants to say.

He has been calling for Shanny's head for years and this most recent article reflects that, all the while painting Sundquist as "who me?" innocent victim.  Forget that.  To me, the proof is in the pudding and Kiszla shot down his own argument in his own article:  he mentioned how Sundquist called out Lynch, publicly.  That is not the action of a well-grounded personell guy with his priorities straight.  Lynch was right to ticked off about it.

And of course, Kiszla telling us that Sundquist was sending him bff emails whenever he was down just makes me question Sundquist even more.  Why air your grievances to the Posts most vitriolic, anti-shanahan writer, unless you had an axe to grind?

Sundquist is no victim.  I have never been comfortable with his TV appearances, his book, the way he handles interviews, and most recently his attempt at blog stardom.  The content is always the same:  "Believe it or not I am actually a pretty big guy on campus."  He seemed way to caught up in no one believing that he had a say as a general manager, and he has state multiple times his pride in working his way up to the GM role, which he views as the top "football guy" in an organization.  He obviously chaffed at the idea that Bowlen looked at Shanny more as the top guy than himself, and he was frustrated that all his work earned him a title that didn't carry with it the expected accolades.

Now sundquist is a GOOD personnel evaluator and a GOOD front office guy.  Not great, but GOOD.  He will hopefully get scooped right up and hopefully the delay in trying to work things out with the Broncos doesn't keep him from getting hired soon, since the timing is awful, and obviously unplanned.

I really like this move, mostly because of the old adage "too many cooks spoil the soup."  I want to see once and for all if Shanny's football philosophy is up to the task of putting Denver in the best position to win.  I'll be up front and say that I am not gauging that by championships, but by Championship contention.  We have to be in the running, not doomed to be on the outside looking in.  If you are anti-shanahan, then you will probably agree that this is a good move, since now we can focus on the decisions of one man without any diluting factors.

As I will discuss more in the next two parts of the DJ article, this is a Broncos team that for better or worse is starting to decide just who the hell they are going to be.

I wish my sig was as cool as mdierks!

by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 13, 2008 2:25 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Kiszla always has an ax to grind....
with everyone.  He will sing thier praises when they win, but when the feces hits the fan, he is in the lead.
fader nation is a conquered nation

by mdierk on Mar 13, 2008 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...
Is Shanahan going to take over these duties by himself as well?
http://www.notthisday.com

by Squeaky on Mar 13, 2008 3:14 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

What Shanny has
in all "football" related matters is the obscure idea of "Final Say."

He doesn't do any salary cap stuff and he doesn't handle any contracts (except maybe to wine and dine somebody in an effort to get them to sign for less.)

The scouting department will compile reports on all NFL players (even if they aren't free agents), all college players (even if they aren't likely to be drafted) and even on every player within the organization, and they will give those reports to the GM and his staff (which sounds like its going to be the Goodmans).

The following is speculation, but probably not far from how they do it:

The gm and his staff will go over all the reports and seperate them into "top" prospects and "everyone else."  They will individually evaluate every top prospect with Shanahan.  The everybody elses will get sifted further into groups like "perfect fit for Denver", "area of immediate need for Denver", "bad fit for Denver", "Not a position of need for Denver,"  etc.  Those groups will get categorized even further with headings like "injury issues,"  "contract issues", "should come cheap", "character issues", etc.

Shanahan will want to look at every prospect from some group (such as the "no issues/perfect fit for Denver" group).  From the rest of the groups, it is up the the GM and his staff to sift out the value and put the dossiers on Shanny's desk.

The actual process of "looking at a prospect" will involve something along the lines of:  review recent tape of the prospect, breaking down their play at their position and other situational factors based on Shanahan's interest and needs for the player.  The front office staff also consists of many scouts and media employees who are responsible for watching these players in games and taking notes, as well as interviewing the players and people who knew the players (for example, when Marcus Thomas was drafted, who had drug issues, the Broncos sent someone to his hometown in Florida to interview his friends and highschool and college coaches).  These notes and personal information go into the players files for Shanahan's review.

Once the Shanahan has looked at all the files on his desk he will prioritize what he wants, and the cap gurus and the GM will start setting up meetings with agents, visits to the team facilities, and start preparing "what if" scenarios for the creation of the new contracts.  At this point is where you start to see players cut and contracts reworked that are currently with the team as the Broncos prepare to absorb the new contracts.  While the GM and his staff handle the majority of work with the new signings, one vital aspect is when the player gets to meet with Shanahan and discuss his role with the Broncos.  This meeting and the finalizing of the money value of the contract are far and away the two most significant aspects of the process.

As players on Shanahan's "want" list are acquired or scratched off, they will constantly reevaluate the list, removing players that aren't feasible and adding players that become valuable with the signing or absence of someone else.  Shanahan is probably kept abreast of this process, but with all his other chores it is doubtful that he actively participates much at this point, except to constantly be giving "Final Say."

One aspect that has been left out above are player for player trades.  When the Broncos finish a season they conduct waht are called "exit interviews".  Basically, no one leaves Dove Valley until they have completed their exit interview, which is a meeting with Shanahan and his staff (including the rest of the coaches) where they look at tape of the players season with the Broncos, address issues that they want the player to work on in the offseason and give a heads-up to the player about his future status with the team (like, expect to be back here, or You're agent will be busy this offseason).

So you can see that Final Say is probably less about chiming in and having a say about every aspect of the rganization as it is about directing the policy and direction of an organization.  In reality, there is only so much Shanny can do, and only so many Final Says that he can hand out in a day.  He is relying on the members of his staff to present the proper choices between which he must choose and give his Final Say.  If they present him with A and B but neglect to show him C, then his power to make the best choice is undercut.

I would also note that the Broncos probably employ an independent agency that acts as a sort of auditor of different aspects of the organization.  Such as, every year, they probably have someone (not associated with the organization, and not in a position to be influenced by the organization) look over all their previous years scouting reports and diagnosises and compare them to what actually panned out for all those prospects.  The auditor will red flag inconsistencies and make reccomendations to the Broncos, along the lines of "This scout routinely mis-scouts QBs," or "This scout doesn't do a very good job of accurately assessing the teams on his beat," or "you need a stronger scouting presence in the college WAC conference, a lot of talent is slipping through the cracks there."

A longer answer than you wanted, I'm sure. :)

I wish my sig was as cool as mdierks!

by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 13, 2008 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I left out a step:
Before teh GM and his staff break up all the potential prospects into groups for consideration, they would probably meet with Shanahan to identify the nature of those groupings.  For example:

This year we signed two safeties in Free Agency, McCree and Manuel.  Before the free agency period began, Shanahan probably met with his (now very shook up) staff and indicated to them "I am interested in safeties this year.  We have a need for depth.  When you look at them in Free Agency, look specifically not for every down starters, but for fast players who can be starters in our "Big Nickel" package."  With these instructions, the GM and his staff compile their lists, and do their best to balance the age, quality, and money issues and present what they think are the best options for consideration to shanny.  Then they move onto the evaluation stage with shanahan himself, with shanny saying yes to one prospect and no to another.

It should be noted that this won't be any different from how it has been when Sundquist was here, since Final Say means that Shanahan tells the GM what he wants.  Except that presumably their should be more agreeance between the Goodman's and Shanahan about the yeses and nos.

But it does differ from how a team whose GM is the head of the organization would act, like Miami or Indianapolis.

Bill Polian is the Colts "Mastermind".  He is also their GM.  His philosophy about what players make good football teams directs the entire organization.  He decides which players to draft and sign, and then his head coach, in this case Tony Dungy, becomes involved with designing a teams offense and defense in a way that capitalizes on the types of players he is being given.  Obviously, Dungy and Polian work closely and share knowledge about football, and their system works.

Denver is the opposite, with Shanahan deciding what type of offense and defense are the most effective ways to play football, and then the GM is responsible for finding players that suit this philosophy.  This system works too.

Both systems borrow parts from the other as well.  For example, Shanahan doesn't design his theoretical offenses and defenses in a dreamworld where things can be any way he wants them to be.  He works with his GM to find out what kind of players and what kind of talent is coming into the league, and he designs his systems accordingly.  For instance, when LBs started coming out of college that were as big as DEs and as fast as safeties, many teams (that were paying attention) compensated by running 3-4s.  When the scools supplying those LBs trended towards smaller LBs again (based on the philosophies of the middle and high schools that were supplying them) defenses once again trended with them.  Back and forth.  A high school system in the rocky mountains might be emulating the Broncos fast defenses, and they will provide fast players to the college ranks.  but the college ranks may have just turned out a class of prowbowl players who were more powerful than fast.  Thos players will be eumlated by that same highschools system, who besides educating the kids are also trying to create opportunities for them, so what they see the pros wanting, they will try to provide.  HT can get a lot more in depth on stuff like that, so I'll drop it here.

Again, another too long answer. :)

I wish my sig was as cool as mdierks!

by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 13, 2008 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was a mostly sarcastic response...
Due to Shanny's taking over of the offensive coordinator job and all that. :) But thanks anyway!!
http://www.notthisday.com

by Squeaky on Mar 13, 2008 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He he...
yeah, I got carried away.  You and your sister share a common form of sarcasm.  Its pretty easy to spot.
I wish my sig was as cool as mdierks!

by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 13, 2008 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome job Styg
I won't go into further depth because frankly, I can't.  We share the same take on the process and I am unable to add anything to your excellent comments.

I WILL mention that you deserve an extra credit for your remark about how the Colts are set up to deal with system direction, and roles of key ownership, management, and coaching staff.  It isn't the Denver way, but it is perhaps one of the better (if not best) run "team building/maintaining" strategies going.  The only flaw in such a system is that so many pieces of the puzzle (people) have to be very good at what they do.  Indy is fortunate to have a lot of elite performers in all levels of the front office, and not just the playing field.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Mar 15, 2008 3:31 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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