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Jay Cutler: How Good Is He Already?

**WARNING: This article contains opinions.**

With so much focus on players that aren't even on the roster yet, I thought I'd give my take on what we have already.  I wanted to focus on two players who, by most accounts, have a shot to be the best player at their position in the next 5 or 6 years.

First Up: How good is Jay Cutler?

I'll start by saying that everything I read and hear hints at the astronomical talent that talent evaluators throughout the NFL believe that he has.  

But, he's not Tom Brady.  He's not Peyton Manning either.  Yet.

To gauge a young QB, you have to compare them with other QBs, but not QBs that have been in the league for very long.  In fact it's only fair to measure a young QB up to other QBs at the same stage in their careers.

I wanted to take a look at statistics from some current and past greats, but I took the stats from the first season that the Quarterback went into the season as the starter.  So, remember, I took Tom Brady's stats from the year after New England won their first Super Bowl, as Brady came off the bench to replace Bledsoe in the prior season.  The same way, Peyton Manning started right away in his rookie season.  To highlight this, I added and "Age" category.  

When I was finished pulling all of the statistics, I was blown away at what company Jay Cutler was in last year.  His stats weren't just favorable; they were at the top in almost every category.  I didn't pick and choose what stats to keep in either, all of the usual stats are there.

Before you jump into evaluating the numbers, keep in mind that these players played on very different teams.  The 2002 Patriots were defending Super Bowl Champs.  The 1998 Colts were a team in disarray.  The 2007 Broncos were a team that had missed the playoffs the previous season and lacked depth on offense and talent on defense.

What's this mean?  

QB Rating is the NFL's measure of Quarterback competency, but it's not the whole story.  Although it's a story that has Jay Cutler's inaugural starting season rated 0.3 points behind Joe Montana's and 2.4 points better than Tom Brady's.

Yards per attempt can be telling.  You can see that Brady was more like Steve Nash (which he admits), making short throws, resulting in a 6.3 YPA as opposed to Jay Cutler's 7.5, who worked the intermediate zones more than some of the other QB's.  In fact, his 7.5 YPA is the highest on this list.  

Look at the Attempts too.  In 1998 Manning threw 575 passes, in 2002, Brady threw 601.  That, paired with the shorter (and safer) passing attack will always result in more TD's and lots of yards.

How about TD's and Int's.  Well, the "Jay Cutler is the next Brett Favre" crap can stop right here.  They couldn't look more different.  4.6% of Brady's passes that year were TD's.  4.8% of Manning's passes were TD's. 4.3% of Jay Cutler's passes were touchdowns.  Favre ended up with 3.6% TD's.  As far as Int's go, I would go so far as to say that the youngest and more inexperienced QB's throw more Int's.  Seems logical enough.  Didn't it seem like Cutler made less and less "what the hell was that?" throws last year as the season wore on?  Bad throws happened every game, but by the end of the season, it was a lot less frequent than at the beginning.

As far as completion percentage goes, it's no surprise that Elway's was low.  In his first few years, he was very high risk-high reward, but had to be because there weren't many other skill position players making plays on that offense.  Manning was a 21 year old rookie, fresh out of college.  Again, it's not a surprise that the younger players typically have lower percentages that players who where more experienced or had the luxury of watching somebody else start for a while.

Montana, Cutler, and Brady are all "West Coast Offense" QB's.  I don't think it's a shock that their rating is a few notches above the rest as that offense is generally a safer offense to run without a lot of turnovers because of the high percentage passes being made.

So, what I'm really saying is that the Broncos don't have "the next" anybody.  We have Jay Cutler.  We have a huge talent and a playmaker that, at this point in his career, compares VERY favorably with some of the all-time greats.  The Broncos and Mike Shanahan, for all of the dirty words cast in their direction in regards to talent evaluation and draft strategy, have something that less than 5 teams in the NFL have at the MOST IMPORTANT position in the game.

Cutler will only get better and smarter and more patient, and if there's one thing I know Coach Shanahan can do, it's tutor a talented player and help make him a great player.  Look what he did with below average to average talent in the Griese and Plummer years.  I feel like Denver fans should feel lucky.  We might have another star QB already.  Give Shanny his due.

Up Next Week -- Brandon Marshall.

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Well done, Super!
I hope this diary gets moved to the front page!
fader nation is a conquered nation

by mdierk on Mar 19, 2008 1:46 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

My only concern with Cutler
Jay Cutler has all the physical tools to be an outstanding QB in the NFL, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone outside of Raiders fans to argue with you about that. And yes, his stats match up extremely well with some hall of fame QB's which is also a very good sign. My worry with Cutler begins and ends with his intensity, his drive, and his will to win. Is this guy a winner? To answer that, let me first explain to you what I think a winner is. In my definition a winner is someone who will not stop until they have achieved everything they can possibly achieve in their sport. Someone who is a leader. They make their teammates better. Their teammates can't help but respect them. They have that mentality that nobody will outwork them. If they think someone is out there doing an extra sprint or getting an extra rep they will do one more. Michael Jordan, John Elway, Tiger Woods, those are 3 guys that I consider the ultimate "winners" in their respective sports.

Here are the facts: Cutler didn't do much winning in college. He hasn't won much so far in his NFL career. Stats are nice but at the end of the day it's all about winning and losing, there's really nothing else to it. I've read numerous articles that have described Cutler as the "quite type" and even a "loner" which doesn't inspire me with a ton of confidence in his ability to lead a football team every Sunday against some of the best athletes in the world.

Now am I saying that it is a set in stone fact that Cutler isn't a winner and won't ever have those traits? Not by any means. I'm just saying of the things I'm worried about with Cutler it has much less to do with his physical talent than the mental side of it. We shall see.

by Make It Rain on Mar 19, 2008 1:56 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Spelled quiet wrong
My fault. Anyway I hope you all realize that I know there is much more that goes into winning and losing with a football team besides its QB. I was just laying out my concerns. I like to think the true leader of the team can make everyone else better and make everyone else want to be better. One of the interesting things I saw with Elway was when we were playing Atlanta in the Super Bowl and we hadn't given up a touchdown and John Elway went to, I think it was Neil Smith, and told him "don't you guys give up any points now, we want this shutout" or something to that effect. I just can't see Cutler doing something like that.

by Make It Rain on Mar 19, 2008 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe Elway did not have a...
stellar record when he was at Stanford.  It's going to take some patience for Cutler.  Elway's "arrival" didn't happen until his fourth year when he led "The Drive".

Cutler's numbers are good to start with, but he doesn't play defense and isn't supposed to tackle.  I saw some flashes of passion last year.  It's now time for Cutler to officially lead the team.  We'll see how this comes out soon enough.

fader nation is a conquered nation

by mdierk on Mar 19, 2008 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your concern = my reason to believe
I have to say I'm in the exact opposite camp. It's all those traits you just laid out that makes me believe Cutler will be the next great one.

It's actually been well-documented that one of the big things Shanahan likes about him is his drive to win. It's exactly what he DIDN'T like about Griese and Plummer, they both couldn't care less about football. Cutler, on the other hand, initiated spending his actual time off this season (before they have Reloading season stuff in Denver) pulling Marshall and Sheffler together to work out. Instead of going on vacation, they're in Atlanta running pass routes. He even pulled in our potential 2nd rounder, Bennett, from Vanderbilt.

Which brings me to the 2nd point, being a loner. He may be quiet, you're not going to see him going off on his teammates when the going gets tough, a la Dan No-ringo or Manning. But then, Elway didn't do that either. This is just my opinion, but I like a QB who doesn't get too high or go too low, and even more the older he gets. I believe that stabilizes a team. Now, as far as being a loner, I'm not sure where you're getting your articles from, but all I've read points to the exact opposite. At Vanderbilt, he spent his free time with the offensive linemen. That ended up being in the weightroom, which is why he's as strong as he is. That has carried over into the NFL, too, as I pointed out earlier in where he's spending his Reloading season. Even last season, he emphasized the need to lead the way in showing up at every Reloading season workout like Rod Smith.

Finally, as far as winning in college goes, I think I'd be a little concerned if he came out of Florida, Florida State, USC, LSU or Michigan, but he came out of Vanderbilt. The analogy to Elway at Stanford fits perfectly. If anything, it's likely he's learned to hoist a team on his shoulders and carry them. In fact, I would guess a lot of his education so far with the Broncos has been Shanahan trying to unteach a lot of that: trust his teammates, take a sack, etc.

I understand that Cutler is still young and this is all speculation, but to me, the intangibles you listed give great reason to believe in the kid.

Or so I'm told.

by MN Bronco on Mar 19, 2008 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You took the words
right out of my mouth. People are fooled by Cutler's calm demeanor, but the other side of the coin is that he doesn't get flustered and shows every indication of being a big-time clutch player. And I think he has an intense drive to be the best ever at his position. Not only is he working out with his receivers THIS off-season, he worked out and spent time learning the plays his first off-season. I don't think he's really taken any significant time off since he was drafted by the Broncos.

Your point about him spending time with offensive lineman is on the mark, too. It's clear he's a leader, and if he could survive in the SEC with not much talent around him he'll thrive with the Broncos. But a correction on Bennett. That's not part of his offseason workout, but a favor he's doing for a former teammate by throwing to him on his pro day workout. Having his former QB, especially one as good as Cutler, throw to him in front of the scouts gives Bennett a chance to make a good impression. And it says something about Cutler that he'd do something like that, as does his willingness to spend time with his linemen. You're also right on about him having to unlearn trying to do it all, since with the Broncos, unlike with Vanderbilt, he doesn't have to take such risks. (But it's nice to know that he CAN carry a team, if he has to in crunch time, for instance.)

I, too, am tremendously high on Cutler, and a lot of scouts around the league are, too. Someone posted a link here awhile back to an article in which some scouts rated the top young QBs, and they thought Cutler was the only one with the chance to be as good as Brady or Manning. The fact is, he has the intangibles we want and we are fixed at QB for years to come. Griese had a very high football IQ but wasn't a strong leader. Plummer was a leader (the players loved him) but didn't have Cutler's talent, calmness under fire, or total commitment. Shanahan has to be given credit for making a great move in getting him.

by spock on Mar 19, 2008 11:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bennett
I wasn't referring to the pro day. I thought for sure I read somewhere that Bennett was down in Atlanta last month before the Combine working out with Cutler, Sheff and Marshall.

Did anyone else see that?

Or so I'm told.

by MN Bronco on Mar 20, 2008 6:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong here
I am as high on Cutler as any of you are. I think he's clearly the best young QB in the league. That was just one man's opinion of a concern I have with him becoming a truly elite QB. By the way here's the article that described him as a "loner" and a guy that likes to keep to himself.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonspreview/070907

One other thing I really didn't like this year was after the Colts game when he was quoted as saying "it's not my fault, I just run the plays that are sent in," yet he never deflected attention away when they were winning games. Maybe that was just a little immaturity though so I won't take it too seriously.

by Make It Rain on Mar 20, 2008 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he is a loner,
then why did he, BMarsh, and Sheffler all go to the same place to work together this offseason?  I think that's just more East Coast bull.

I do think his statement after the Colts game was more immaturity than anything.  

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 20, 2008 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't know they did
That is encouraging to say the least. Anyway, anything we say about Cutler is all just speculation at this point. The book is not even close to being written on him it's all about what he does on the field, specifically in the win loss column that he will ultimately be judged by. And I have to say I do feel very good about him as our future QB.

by Make It Rain on Mar 20, 2008 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The diary isn't about the Broncos being good...
It's about Jay Cutler's progression versus that of a few other all-timers (maybe sans Palmer, although I think Plamer's damn good).  He's the kind of QB that may take a few seasons to really break through, but his stats last season were great for a 7 win team without a #2 WR, without a true #1 RB, without 2 starters on our OL for most of the season and absolutely NO defense.

I also think he's a passionate leader and don't understand where that knock came from. By the end of last season he was hollering at his WR's and O-Line a few times a game and was arguing with the refs too.  What do we want, a loudmouth like Rivers?  He's pure D-bag if you ask me.  

I think the players have a TON of respect for Cutler, especially the WR's and OL, which are the 2 most important groups to the QB. He's very cool and collected during interviews and I'm very happy about that, but I definitely think that he gets on the players when he needs to, and that will happen more and more with experience.  He's 24! He's not going to be like Elway/Favre/whoever when they were 34 years old, he's gonna be like Elway/Favre/whoever when hey were 24 years old.

by super7 on Mar 19, 2008 3:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Cutler
could develop a realtionship with the media like the favre did. He always enjoys his interviews and pokes fun at himself as well as claims a lot of the blame for mistakes made even if he wasnt the one to make em. He is in every sense the leader I would want. Silent yet strong, intimidatign yet approachable  and aggressive yet gentle. He commands respect but doesnt demand it. Those are the basics of leadership in the military, and these are traits of quality leadership in life as well. Go Cutler!
Davis to the Hall! "A leader, once convinced that a particular course of action is the right one, must be undaunted when the going gets tough." Ronald Reagan

by Jon Tollerud on Mar 19, 2008 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

More fun with numbers
If Cutler apptempted 601 passes like Brady did in his first year as a starter (keeping YPA, QB Rating, TD and INT percentages in place):

382/601 Comp/Att
4507 Yards
26 TDs
17 INTs

This is all very circumstantial and assumptive, but its fun, too.

by super7 on Mar 19, 2008 3:46 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post man...
I can't wait for JaMarcus Russel to be added to this list after next season to show Saint just how pathetic his "Russell is better than Cutler" bullcrap a few weeks back. ;)

by Tim Lynch on Mar 19, 2008 4:07 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome
This site has seriously begun a quality-post-frenzy!
From Denmark, so i excuse my self for un-knowing-ness...

by Claaaaas on Mar 19, 2008 7:04 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey
Cutler is my favorite player! Not only he wins a lot of respect from other players, but also he can develop a nice relationship with the media. I appreciate that so much. And getting something of him has been my dream for a long time. My dream came true last week, I got a limited edition Photograph of him: http://dealstudio.com/searchdeals.php?deal_id=91623&ru=279 , and I believe Cutler will have a nice prospect, because he is only 24, that is a nice age. LoL!

by sallyyoullk230 on Mar 19, 2008 7:38 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to MHR Sally
You will find most of us here think the world of Cutler.  Not the second coming of Elway, but definitely the second coming of great QB play in Denver. ;)

by Tim Lynch on Mar 19, 2008 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sally is
a long time listener.  Something tells me the more we talk about Cutler, the more she will chime in. ;)

I for one think above and beyond everything Cutler has a great head on his shoulders.  Everything he does is a combination of deliberate/ease.  He just seems like he belongs out on the field, and at the helm of the Broncos, which is a relief to see after getting the Post Elway line of successors, all trying to be something they aren't...

I wish my sig was as cool as mdierks!

by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 19, 2008 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the first time
I have seen the name. :P

In any case, I love talking about Cutler probably as much as anyone. :)  I've been promising my wife to discontinue NFL Sunday Ticket on DirecTV for two years now in order to "save money", but I still haven't canceled it because I'd rather watch every Bronco game on TV during the season than save $50 a month for four months. :P

If our QB was still Plummer, I'd probably have canceled a long time ago.  ;)

by Tim Lynch on Mar 19, 2008 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post 7!
I love these kinds of comparisons.  I wonder what the numbers would look like if they were comparisons of QBs who are either regarded as flops or who fizzled out.  I think the trick would be findng  QBs who fit that criteria but who didn't jump from team to team, at least no initially...

Carr comes to mind.  Would you put Delhomme in that category?  Ryan leaf.  Who else might make this list?

I wish my sig was as cool as mdierks!

by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 19, 2008 8:26 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice post Super7
I am so glad that Cutler is a Bronco.  Before we drafted him I really didn't know anything about him except from what I heard on TV......and it was all positive.  Then when I saw that we drafted him I was excited because when his number would be called, I was happy for him to be behind center.

Cutler will be a star in this league and all you have to do is watch what he did in his first year and a half.  I mean he has about eight 4th qtr/OT game-winning drives so far.  He is very calm and the pressure of the game doesn't seem to faze him one bit.  I like what I see.

Nice work Super7 on the stat comparison.

by weazel on Mar 19, 2008 10:41 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

the future is now
jay cutler is a great qb. now. i don't recall seeing someone grow as quick as he has in 1 1/2 years of playing. last season was a nightmare for him, and he not only held up, but played excellent. where do i start to remind: the preseason receiver situation, the o-line mess, the regular season receiver situation, the new running back, tight end,...? his first year as a starter, where's the stability?! it seemed he had a different cast of supporting players each week. the 1 constant was cutler. i am not only impressed by his abilities, but by his intangibles-he has ice in his veins, he leads, and he is determined. he is a winner. stokely, marshall, and the tight ends are good to go, the rest of the offense i have questions about

by davecheffy on Mar 20, 2008 12:22 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Breaking down YPA
YPA isn't a descriptive statistic when it comes to QB performance.  95% of the variation in YPA can be explained by three things:
  1. Completion Percentage
  2. Scheme
  3. Quality of the WR Core
The first one can be directly observed and so looking at YPA--and indirect measurement of the same thing--is redundant.  Completion percentage is very weakly correlated with receiving core.  Some attrition in completion percentage can be attributed to bad WR's, but this is almost never going to make more than a .5% difference.

Scheme obviously makes a difference: if a QB completes a high % of medium and deep routes because of good scheme and execution, he will have a higher YPA.

Last, quality of the receiving core is arguably THE MOST IMPORTANT determinant of YPA.  If you have game-breaking WR's (holding completion percentage and scheme constant), you will have much higher YPA overall.  Recent examples of this are Tony Romo--who despite having average accuracy and arm strength was in the top 3 in the NFL the last 2 seasons--and Tom Brady--who after a historic upgrade at WR saw his YPA shoot off the chart.

Another scheme/WR consideration is YAC.  A scheme like Green Bay utilizes 1, 2, and 3-step drops to get the ball to WR's in space.  Once they have the ball, they are expected to make plays.  This can dramatically improve your YPA (as anyone who saw Farve go from dud to stud the last 3 years can attest).  If Green Bay didn't have jaw-droppingly-good WR's like Jennings and Driver (the best receiving core in the NFL in my opinion), Favre's YPA would be a lot lower despite the fact that Favre is still Favre.

In the case of Cutler, its no surprise that his YPA numbers would be comparable to Montana.  He played in a nearly identical scheme and threw for a similar completion percentage.  Manning's accuracy was deplorable his first year.  Were you to remove his incomplete passes so that he boasts a similar completion percentage to Montana and Cutler (512 attempts), his YPA is 7.3 which is similar to Montana and Cutler.

Completion percentage is, generally speaking, fixed from season-to-season and from system-to-system.  The exception to this is the first 3 years a QB is in the league.  Eli will probably never boast the accuracy that his brother perennially displays.  The fact that Cutler has been so accurate his first two seasons (58% in his first 4 starts and 63% overall) bodes well for his future success.

We know he has the arm strength and he shows remarkable poise.  I think the sky is the limit with Cutler but these statistics aren't necessarily descriptive of why it is he'll succeed or fail.

by r8erh8er on Mar 20, 2008 7:41 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Solid Stuff...
and WELCOME!!  Glad to see you here at the MHR!

by John Bena on Mar 20, 2008 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why I like Cutler
Here is why I admire the young man.

First, he never gets rattled.  That's a Montana trait.  He is quiet, confident, even sleepy looking.  He has nerves of steel.

Second, I look at passion by looking at the end of the game when the team is behind.  Cutler does an excellent job of taking the team down the field near the end of tight games.

Third, that rocket arm is great in our bootlegs, and those feet have been responsible for some college looking option plays.

Last, he's a team guy.  He took some teammates to do some reloading season passing drill work for a few months.  That spells dedication and team work.

I believe Cutler is the real deal.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Mar 20, 2008 8:19 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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