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So I have seen back and forth left and right on depth vs. what we have signed already. Sometimes this can help with the draft other times it can be a smoke screen. Coach Mike is the master of smoke screens and "where the ** did that draft pick come from" ideas that make sportscasters and Broncos fans alike go "?" I want to break down this one Broncos Fan of our Depth and need. all my info for this was taken from http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=331&sort=lastName. A lot of you read my Mock when I posted the Draft Chart back in Feb/ Early March. That had a few explanations but not many so here we go.

Star-divide

Quarterback-
     We have Jay Cutler solidified as our starter. I don't think there is much to say. The guy is a leader, on hell of a QB and the next great Denver QB. After him we have PB&J Ramsey Hackney and Finnerty. We have 4 QB's so that we have four Offensive units running or 4 WR catching at one time. Also Ramsey is in the last year of his 2 year contract and I do not expect Denver to resign him. I think backing up JC will fall into the hands of either Hackney or Finnerty. My money is on Finnerty after the excellent write up Guru gave his bio. I think we are very set here no problems

Grade: A+

Running Back-
     I posted this in one of HT's diaries. I think Mike will give the guys we have now the chance to prove themselves. Young and Hall need to prove they are more than just Spell Backs, and Henry needs to prove he can stay healthy and motivated. After these three you have Weeks, Smith and Bell. I think Bell will get his walking papers if he can't hang onto the football. I foresee this as the situation:
The trio get their chance but do not live up to Coach's Expectations. We drat a running back in next years 1 or second round.

Grade: B

Fullback-
     Here is an area that COULD potentially hold a problem. Our only FB as listed is Stephen Jackson who is not the STL Jackson. The only one on the roster that has played the position successfully is Cecil Sapp. I foresee us moving to the Three Tight End system more and more and this position being an eh whatever thing. That being said we should stop trying to convert our runners into blockers. We should look for the next Griffith not Anderson. Having one SOLD FB would be great as it is we have 2 iffy players here. Sapp was good but he was better as a bruising runner than a blocker. I think this is a position for late round picks/ CFA's. I think that is where we go this year for one.

Grade: C

Wide Receiver-
Marshall is hurt, Colbert is a fading star(I am a USC fan and I can say it!) and Stokely is a slot guy at best. There are some top tier WR's in this draft. I like Arrington (Iowa) in the 4th round because he fits our system. We have to address this  or we are cutting Cutlers legs out from under him. If all the other team has to do is double team B-Marsh and then stuff the box were screwed. We need a speed threat opposite Marshall.

Grade: Pending! (currently around a C)

Tight End-
     Here we have a beauty. One of the best blocking TE in Graham and and up and coming Superstar in Scheffler. Graham can wall of a defender like a grown man stopping people from eating their girl scout cookies. He has some decent hands but is not ideal for receiving. Scheffler makes the sky the limit for him. Decent Speed, Blocking with some outstanding hands for such a young TE. Jackson is a converted wide out so I think he is a catching guy. The few times I watched him play thats what he was there for. Mustard is another blocker. Pretty good at it to from the things I hear. The final guy on the list I have no information on Brett Peirce.

Grade: A

Tackle-
     I am one of those guys who groups all tackles together. I think the difference in right or left really depends on your run stopping ability. That being said we have two solid players here. Harris is a very good run blocker as well as a pass protection guy. Pears is well rounded with what I feel a slight edge on pass protection. either way I would look to see these two starting. I know Coach Mike has said something different but I say they are our starters come day one. Our problem here is depth. Something we really need. I would go after a few late rounders and see if they pan out. worst case scenario here we cut a few guys and lose a few  "K"

Grade: C+

Guard-
     This position could have some brightness to it. I dont have a problem with Kuper, Holland or Hamilton. I think they provide a good set of guys to build around and start looking at others. My problem here is I only listed one young guy, Kuper. The other two are good but we need to get some depth here. I know we have Snell and Alexander but they are just as old as Holland and Hamilton so they provide nothing as far as depth for years to come. I think we also look for Guards later in the draft as well.

Grade: C+

Center:
     With Nalen here I almost went automatically to A++++++. However after looking, I start to understand why we brought in Wigga-migga-whose-it. Mark Fenton is young and talented. With two "seniors" teaching him how to play I think he will develop like mad. Depth could still be a problem with to older guys here(although nalen could play til he's al davis' age!).

Grade: B+

Defensive End:
     With who we have right now I am ok. DOOM, Crowder, Moss are all young guns who will learn a thin or two from Englberger and Eeks. I think we could look at a couple of these in later rounds and come out all right on the rotation. Carrington and company in my opinion are just training camp fodder or practice squad guys. I think the five mentioned above are on the squad.

Grade: A

Defensive Tackle:
     Not much needs to be said here. If Ellis is available we take him! I would even be ok with trading up to secure him but not too much. Keeping the run at bay was hard because of our problems here. We need one more solid guy to sit next to Thomas at the line and help him develop. The rest of the line aka McKinnley and Company are rotational players. None of them have shown starter quality to me so I lump them all together. This is a #1 Draft need.

Grade: C-/D+

Linebackers-
     Outside and Inside we did pretty well pugging some gaps, moving people and now here is where depth would help. We have a few depth guys but i can think only six that are currently on our roster will stay. Niko/DJ/Boss as one squad and Winborn/Webster/Beck as another.

Grade: B+/A-

Secondary:
     We went out and signed some guys. Bailey and Bly are still one of the scariest tandems out there but The raiders look to have one as well in Hall and however the heck you say his name. Our Safeties are stop gap and we need to address this as a need around WR in my opinion. There are some decent ones out there this year so we should be ok signing one or two from the draft. The guys are good but Lynch isn't the speed demon he once was and McCree Manuel are interchangeable.

Grade: B+

Kicker:
     Prater can boom it. Practice will help his accuracy. Not much more need be said!

Grade: B/C

Punter:
     Paulescue has a great leg! My hope is we never use it next yeas! All in all hes a decent punter

Grade: B

Not much else to say, we can shore up out Special Teams by shoring up the rest of the team. Thoughts?

Poll
Where is our Biggest Need?
We could win the Super Bowl as we stand
0 votes
We play football in Denver?
0 votes
WR
4 votes
D-Line
7 votes
O-Line
3 votes
Secondary
0 votes
Backfield
0 votes
Linebacker
0 votes
Kicker/ Punter
0 votes
Theres more than one area
3 votes

17 votes | Poll has closed

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A lot to digest
I will try and read through it all and comment tomorrow.

by MattR on Apr 5, 2008 10:20 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Ha ha
yeah I guess once I got going i just couldnt stop. Sorry bout that
Davis to the Hall! "A leader, once convinced that a particular course of action is the right one, must be undaunted when the going gets tough." Ronald Reagan

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 5, 2008 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No apologies needed
If you think this piece is long you should see what I am working on :)

by MattR on Apr 6, 2008 12:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good write up, John.
However, I have to pick this apart. Don't take anything I say as saying you're totally wrong because I tend to stray away from the conventional thoughts.

First, we have our starting Qb in a beast named Cutler. Not mutch of a backup though in Ramsey. I just don't have confidence in him. With the running game not having the All-Pro, it's not as beastly as it once was so I would say a better backup could be needed.

RB is what it is.

I think you're right when you say we're going to go away from a FB and that's because of Cutler. It's harder to guess what he's going to do if the play action is working and he's got B-Marsh and Scheff than a B-Marsh and fullback. It's all in the design in the offense.

Okay, tackle and guard are bad. I'd give them both a D. We need depth and starters. My number 2 need for us in the draft.

For CB, all I have to say is Dre Bly should not be a Bronco next year if we still have Foxy and Paymah.

With safety, you have to let it play out now. 58343849 vets out there with Hamza. Too late to really draft anyone.

Wr is a total mess other than Stokely. Marshall can't stay out of trouble and Colbert is bad. Number one need.

Kickers are that. They should be able to do their job.

With the defense, you have to see what you have with the new coordinator and the whole d being on the same page this year.  you can't say go get this guy when we're going to be running a different type of system. Remember, our D only had 40 yards between them and the goalline on most occasions. Not everything was their fault. But with DT, that may be th only place on the D-Line that's draftable for us right now.

With that,

BroncoDude's Draft Priorities via draft or trade:
1.)WR
2.)O-Line
3.)DT
4.)not really anything to put here. We don't know what we have, really.
5.)Play-caller

After making a stop in Sacramento, the Denial river makes a stop in Oakland and then heads east towards Kansas City.

by broncodude793 on Apr 5, 2008 11:07 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

What you say
isn't too unconventional and I think we are actually on a pretty good page with one another. Like I said about Ramsey I don't think we extend his contact. I still stand by us grabbing a RB next year in the draft and High. WR for now is iffy but I think we get a speed guy in the draft or someone who can beat a D guy on his backside! That being said, I like a lot of your thoughts and can agree with some of them and some I can agree at points. I like that you want to give this DC his chance to put his mark on the D and you say DT is the place you think could get some help now. I think you have a thought process that may move outside conventional but I think you end up near or around the same conclusions as most of us. Thanks for the input dude and keep it coming.
Davis to the Hall! "A leader, once convinced that a particular course of action is the right one, must be undaunted when the going gets tough." Ronald Reagan

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 5, 2008 11:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am simply amazed...
at the breadth and depth of knowledge displayed on this site. You guys all put an entire boatload of thought into what you have to say. I will also have to digest for a while and respond. Thanks for the great post and thoughtful replys.

by firstfan on Apr 5, 2008 11:19 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for
 the compliment. A lot of my "Knowledge" is just from the Broncos Web Site. I am a soccer guy, so I am just picking up on this whole American Football thing. I always watched Broncos Football but never broke it don or learned about it until I started reading here about a year ago. Take your time let me know what you think.
Davis to the Hall! "A leader, once convinced that a particular course of action is the right one, must be undaunted when the going gets tough." Ronald Reagan

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 6, 2008 12:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wauw...
You are just describing my football-fandom there.
From Denmark, so i excuse my self for un-knowing-ness...

by Claaaaas on Apr 6, 2008 6:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha Ha
I think our teams may be different though. My Nationals Team is Norway. Club is Liverpool!
Davis to the Hall! "A leader, once convinced that a particular course of action is the right one, must be undaunted when the going gets tough." Ronald Reagan

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 6, 2008 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great work!
My thoughts on yours:

QB - I like Ramsey, and like the idea of having an older QB to help mentor the starter.  It's not a matter of showing him the ropes on QB play (Cutler is clearly better), but their are a lot of intangible things an older guy can help with.  With Hackney getting in trouble I think Hackney can go.  Keep Ramsey and Finnerty.

RB - I hope we get a late round RB to solidify our current three.  I respectfuly disagree about Hall or Young ever being everydown RBs.  They are spectacular, but not built to take the punishment (see the injuries last year).

FB - We just re-signed Sapp.  We should be ok.

WR - Tied with DT and OL as biggest needs.  Marshall will be ok by camp, but Colbert is a question mark.  He may do better in our system, but I also want a solid draft pick to make sure.

TE - Excellence and depth.

OL - Losing Meyers hurt our depth, but according to Horse Tracks he wanted too much money.  I feel good about the guys we have right now, but we have almost nothing in terms of depth.  Two or three picks in the draft will remedy this in the short term, and after the retirements of Nalen and Hamilton we'll just need a couple more.

DT - We need talent and depth here right away.

DE - Excellence and depth.

LB - I think the FA moves shored us up very well.  I'm predicting that K2 will be a pleasant surprise for Denver fans, but only if we give him the protection of some good DTs.

CBs - Excellence and depth.

SAFs - According to Horse Tracks we may be in more danger of losing Hamza than previously thought (wanting too much money).  Right now we have stop gaps in place to prevent disaster at the position, but we need help in the draft next year at the very latest.

K and P - Styg and Zap have sold me on getting Brooks (P) in the draft.  I think we'll be ok.

Again, great job!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 6, 2008 8:48 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

HT
I think we agree about Young and Hall. I do not think they will pan out either, but I think Coach Mike will give them the chance to try. The facts behind the assumption are Plummer. As soon as Plummer lost the AFC championship game in '05, Mike knew Plummer would never be his guy. He still let Plummer start the next year in an effort to prove him wrong. In this scenario, I think Hall and Young get their shot to prove Mike's assessment of them wrong. If not I think we get us a Running Back in next years draft or a Gem in late rounds. I like Mike Hart personally and he seems to be moving up the board right into a top fourth or late third pick. I think the rest we agree on, you have said Phillips would be a good pick up, I think he should be our target. We may differ on this but I think we both have had our say so we may have to agree to disagree. Thanks for the input and feedback!
Davis to the Hall! "A leader, once convinced that a particular course of action is the right one, must be undaunted when the going gets tough." Ronald Reagan

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 6, 2008 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say they won't pan out though.
I am saying that Young and Hall are specialists, and they are valuable for what they do.  I don't expect them to be every down backs because that isn't the role I envision for them.

What I want to see is a bruising, power one cut back (like Henry) who takes the vast majority of the snaps.  Then, as the defensive line wears down you bring in a speedy one cut back to tear things up.  My desire is based on the assumption that we run a "RB by committee" approach.

What I hope for in the draft (late round - since we only really need the one cut element to be successful) is for a power back to be available in case Henry has injury problems.  Given Shanahan's statement recently in Horse Tracks, I think we will get at least one RB.

I like Hall and Young for what they do, and they are keepers in that role.  Just don't expect them to have to run too many downs.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 6, 2008 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

On that note
 I agree they are spell guys. The question becomes then, will Henry rejuvenate himself here or is he going to be a depth guy? I think Henry will do well to be honest, if he stays motivated. If we bring in a guy this year in the top two rounds, thats basically saying "do what you have to this year dude, but it doesn't matter if you get 5000yrds or 5 because this is our guy next year." If we grab a 4th or 5th round guy then they just know we are adding depth. I am of the feelings about Colbert as well as Henry, give them their on field chance. if henry cant pile up 1500-1700 yards as the main guy then Draft it up next year and have him help mentor the boy.
Davis to the Hall! "A leader, once convinced that a particular course of action is the right one, must be undaunted when the going gets tough." Ronald Reagan

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 6, 2008 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair to Henry
In a RB by committee system I would be happy if Henry got 1000 yards in a season.  He was off to a fantastic start last year before getting injured, and he seems to have a great attitude (salary cut to help the team).  He's not a "big gainer" so much as a short yardage punisher, and he should set up Young to get over a 1000.

We can hope.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 7, 2008 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds about right to me
My only thought is what does it end up looking like to Coach?
Davis to the Hall! "A leader, once convinced that a particular course of action is the right one, must be undaunted when the going gets tough." Ronald Reagan

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 7, 2008 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the rub isn't it?
On the one hand, I think Mike knows and appreciates the type of back Henry is.  His initial contract with Henry shows that Mike values a short yardage punisher for our system.

On the other hand Mike did say recently that Henry would need one heck of a reloading season workout to be in shape to have playing time.  That could have been motivational talk or something much more dark.

Your "only thought" is one heck of a good question!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 7, 2008 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And dont get me wrong
I was stoked when we signed him and I think he is still a great back. I think if he is as good as he has shown in the past he will also be a great mentor for other guys as well. I personally hope he does go out and pull a 1700+ yrd season and say what now? cause then drafting a one cut runner late will be better and we can address other needs. I just don't know though
Davis to the Hall! "A leader, once convinced that a particular course of action is the right one, must be undaunted when the going gets tough." Ronald Reagan

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 7, 2008 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post,
I think our top need is WR, but I don't think the first round is where we need to address this need.  We should take a DT or RB in first round, WR or DT in second, and OL and WR in fourth.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 6, 2008 11:40 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Only Problem with a RB
in the first is that that will give the three guys there already the idea that we have no confidence in them and then they can be a cancer in the locker room, or just ineffective on the field.
Davis to the Hall! "A leader, once convinced that a particular course of action is the right one, must be undaunted when the going gets tough." Ronald Reagan

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 6, 2008 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK
I finished digesting what you said and I generally agree with your assessments. I respectfully disagree on a few points:

Offense-
*    RB - I think Henry is going to come back this year with a positive attitude borne out of loyalty to Shannahan and I would not like to be a CB not dressed in Bronco colors on game day.  I like Young as a change of pace back in the third and fourth quarter and Bell as a Spell Back if he can hold on to the ball, thus getting out of Coach's doghouse. Weeks, Hall and Smith better learn to block downfield on punt and kick returns if they hope to make the team.
*    FB - I agree. I like the idea of using Schleffler or Mustard man as an H type back.
*    WR - This is a problem area. I am not nearly as high on Marshall as everyone else. I agree that we hurt our star QB if we don't give him some targets. I will defer to you on Colbert. This is a must in the draft. A later round WR could be a kick return specialist. Hall does have some upside in a return role.

Defense-
*    DT - I agree this is our single largest area for improvement. I don't know if this can come from the draft.
*    LB - I am very high on our entire new corps. Many in Seattle think K2 would be a starter on 28 other NFL teams and Denver got a real steal. DJ will be much more at home on the weak side and I really hope Boss is the answer at strong side. Great depth in Winbron and Webster along with being great on ST.

Thanks for a great post and a thought-filled analysis.

by firstfan on Apr 6, 2008 8:23 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good
I like your running back analysis, but I have to say i still think we go RB next year.
Everything else seems to link up. I like a lot of the Later round WR's and think they could work out on our team well. I do think we can nab a great DT in this draft its just a matter of which. Boss is said to look good in workouts so I'm not too worried there. I think I will be able to better asses our situation AFTER the draft. At that point it becomes key FA signings. I am excited for the draft and then the season
Davis to the Hall! "A leader, once convinced that a particular course of action is the right one, must be undaunted when the going gets tough." Ronald Reagan

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 6, 2008 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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