With The 16th Pick In The MHR Community Mock Draft...
by John Bena on Apr 7, 2008 6:02 PM MDT
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The Arizona Cardinals, represented by Broncofornia, select...
QUENTIN GROVES, DE/LB -- AUBURN
No explanation was given for the pick, though the Cards' need for a pass rush, especially after the loss of Calvin Pace, is crucial for the Cardinals.
The Draft So Far --
#1 - Miami Dolphins - DE Chris Long, Virginia
#2 - St. Louis Rams - OT Jake Long, Michigan
#3 - Atlanta Falcons - DT Glen Dorsey, LSU
#4 - Oakland Raiders - RB Darren McFadden, Arkansas
#5 - Philadelphia Eagles(via Trade w/ K.C. Chiefs) - DE Vernon Gholston, Ohio St.
#6 - New York Jets - DB Leodis McKelvin, Troy St.
#7 - New England Patriots - CB Dominique Rogers-Cromartie, Tennessee State
#8 - Baltimore Ravens - QB Matt Ryan, Boston College
#9 - Cincinnati Bengals - DT Sedrick Ellis, USC
#10 - New Orleans Saints - CB Mike Jenkins, USF
#11 - Buffalo Bills - WR Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma
#12 - Minnesota Vikings(via trade with Denver) - DE Derrick Harvey, Florida
#13 - Carolina Panthers - OT Ryan Clady, Boise St.
#14 - Chicago Bears - RB Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois
#15 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers(via Trade w/ Detroit) - LB Keith Rivers, USC
#16 - Arizona Cardinals - DE/LB Quentin Groves, Auburn
The Next 4 Picks -
#17. Denver (7-9) -- EJRuiz777
#18. Houston (8-8) -- Orangeman
#19. Kansas City (4-12) -- jonnyr44
#20. Detroit (7-9) -- tbell61
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A few things...
- You forgot to mention the Bucs acquired their pick in a trade (which I still think was a poor pick.)
- I'm not so sure I agree with this pick either... I think they Cards should have gone for a running back. They need something explosive to fill seats at their new, expensive stadium, and I think a guy like Jonathan Stewart of Oregon or Felix Jones of Arkansas would be better choices.
"I could never quite get the hang of Thursdays..."
by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 7, 2008 6:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Rivers
You may not like Rivers personally, but every scouting resource in the universe has him as the best linebacker in this years draft. Most analysts have him ranked as a top 10 player overall. Maybe you think Rivers doesn't pan out, but its hard to argue that he's a bad pick at #15 overall.
by r8erh8er on Apr 7, 2008 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cards
Arizona has plenty of impact players to fill seats. In fact, they are among the most talented teams in the league at skill positions. The offensive and defensive lines hold them back every year. Coach Wisenhunt--a Steelers guy--will rebuild the Cardinals from the inside out. Given that, I think this is a likely position to pick. I don't know if I would have taken this specific player, but this draft is so deep at defensive end its hard to get a beat on where teams rank the top guys.
by r8erh8er on Apr 7, 2008 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cards
are hurting in a lot of places. They need to focus on building a team. I think their O Line is their biggest concern but this isnt THAT bad of a pick. Edge coudl use the help in getting a hole to run through and God knows whichever QB starts needs help too. I dunno bout this one but it isnt too horrible
Davis to the Hall! "A leader, once convinced that a particular course of action is the right one, must be undaunted when the going gets tough." Ronald Reagan
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 7, 2008 6:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
We are talking about the Cardinals too...
Good or Bad...if the real Cardinals were known for making good draft picks then they wouldn't still be bottom feeders right?
I don't know much about the guy selected either, so I will defer to the guy who took Quentin Groves 16th overall. ;)
by Tim Lynch on Apr 7, 2008 7:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Come EJ!!!
Pick up a stud Running back! I know you want too!!!! STEWART! STEWART! STEWART!
by Tim Lynch on Apr 7, 2008 7:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Think of me as one of the fans AT the actual
draft. chanting....yes. Expect a major BOO(eagle fan style) if you don't go Stewart! lol just playing around...but I am very anxious to see what you pick. ;)
by Tim Lynch on Apr 7, 2008 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eagle boo?
that's second rate booing. Jets booing (as we hear it every draft) is second to none on the boo-ometer. Besides McNabb, who have the Eagles bood in the past few seasons?
"I could never quite get the hang of Thursdays..."
by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 7, 2008 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it wasn't
even mcnabb that thye booed, but the NON-pick of Ricky Williams. They really had their heart set on that guy. Bless every one of 'em...
I wish my sig was as cool as mdierks!
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 7, 2008 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, and he's turned out well
retiring, being expelled, and tearing a peck recently... just the kind of guy I'd want. I, personally hold McNabb as one of the best QBs in the league... he has good poise, pocket awareness, pretty good accuracy, and good power in his passes.
"I could never quite get the hang of Thursdays..."
by FlaBroncoFan on Apr 7, 2008 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second the motion
on McNabb. What he is being asked ot do in Philadelphia is like Elway 2.0, though Mcnabb is a littel different type of QB, and the Eagles have a much better defensive mindset.
I wish my sig was as cool as mdierks!
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 7, 2008 8:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ricky Williams' off field issues were caused
by depression and social anxiety disorder. He probably didn't open up a Sears & Roebuck (an earlier hard copy competitor of Amazon and Ebay) and place an order for those conditions. He probably had a genetic affinity and environmental conditions that triggered those disorders. In spite of those hindrances, he maximized his talents on the field and has been a very productive RB.
His website discussing social anxiety disorder shows that he is capable of making a strong contribution to his fellow man. In his own way, that showed a lot of leadership.
by Arctic Bronco on Apr 9, 2008 12:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good and bad on Williams
We are in total agreement on the point of mental health. In addition to teaching I worked for several years in adolescent mental health therapy, and I have a very high understanding towards people with mental illness and a strong respect for people who rise above their illness to help others.
On the other hand, I have a low tolerance for drug abuse where a person doesn't admit that he has a problem and doesn't seek nor want help. Admittedly I have no background in substance abuse counseling, but my last impression of Williams was a statment he made advocating marijuana use and stating he didn't intend to change his habit. Given his current site (which I haven't looked at), perhaps he has seen a link between his chemical dependency and his illness, and he is now fighting his problem. If so, I'm in his corner. (I know a lot of mentaly ill people "self medicate" their illness with illegal substances).
If he can move past his drug habit I hope he makes a contribution in the NFL. It would be great for people with mental illness to see someone in sports to show that such an obstacle doesn't have to hold one back.
(My favorite example of someone combating mental illness and excelling in sports is Terry Bradshaw, who was a heck of a quarter back even if he rankles me as a television co-host. He suffers from both mental illness and learning disability issues).
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Apr 9, 2008 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember EJ
unpredictable, cryptic, a real DOOOZY!!
Lets do it!
I wish my sig was as cool as mdierks!
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 7, 2008 7:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Ricky Williams
I think him damn straight- a true physical specimen and talent.
by trtyhvbcc on Apr 7, 2008 9:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't talk about Ricky
...like he's dead. Ricky for 2008 comeback player of the year!
by r8erh8er on Apr 7, 2008 9:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Who do we email?
? --- When's it's our turn to make a selection who do we email and what is their address?
-The Bumbling Fool Carl Peterson, who traded for Lito Sheppard but is now trying to re-work his contract b/c he's a cheap, senile old Bastard. Eventually, we plan on packaging Lito and Jared Allen for a high 2nd Round Draft selection. Go Chiefs. Goddamnit.
And the home of the...CHIEFS!!!
by jonnyr44 on Apr 8, 2008 8:24 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Guru his address is on the main page.
Davis to the Hall! "A leader, once convinced that a particular course of action is the right one, must be undaunted when the going gets tough." Ronald Reagan
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 8, 2008 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have noticed that Kenny Phillips....
is falling in value. Could we snatch him up in the second round?
fader nation is a conquered nation
by mdierk on Apr 9, 2008 11:24 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be a steal!
I think he goes late first round. I hope we trade back to snag teh kid but I dont mind Williams at 17 with a 3rd round pick up. I really think we lose out on Phillips, which is a shame because it is a need area.
Davis to the Hall! "A leader, once convinced that a particular course of action is the right one, must be undaunted when the going gets tough." Ronald Reagan
by Jon Tollerud on Apr 9, 2008 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
His fall is slowing down.
At the current rate we would have to trade up from #42 and may need to go as high as #31 in the first, but that is totally doable.
However, I think a lot of people who compare him to other day one players would have to give him his due: he belongs in the first round. He is easily the most well rounded safety in the draft, and no team that needs a safety would be wise to pass him up for many of the prospects that are moving into the bottom of the second round.
Come draft day, anything could happen, and if he slipped to #42, Dnever would have to consider cutting a guy like Rogers, Cargile, or Underwood to bring him onto the team. I don't think he could start ahead of Abdullah, McRee, Lynch, Manuel, or even Cargile, so I would have to question taking such a good player this high.
Picks like Phillips and Lofton are luxury picks, and as Guru's draft analysis shows, Denver hasn't earned the right to consider any luxuries.
I wish my sig was as cool as mdierks!
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 9, 2008 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
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