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THURSDAY, JAN. 10, 2008

On former Assistant Head Coach/Defense Jim Bates --
"First of all, I would like to mention that Bob Slowik will be our defensive coordinator and he will be calling the defenses. I talked to Bates and asked him if he would like to stay and be the linebacker coach, and he decided not to. I have some strong feelings toward Jim, and he has done a lot of good things in the National Football League. I thought as a defense overall we had to move in a different direction. The four previous years, we are in the top 10 (scoring defense), and we did a lot of good things on defense. When (former defensive coordinator) Larry (Coyer) was gone, it obviously had nothing to do with football. Larry Coyer was an excellent football coach, and I did make a decision to go in a different direction, but it was not based on football at all. So, this just didn't work out to what we had planned, and it comes back to me. Hopefully we can make some changes and we can get back on track."

On how the defense will improve in 2008 --
"Well, first of all you can't just go by the statistics of another team. You have to know how somebody coaches, and I know how instrumental (Defensive Coordinator) Bob (Slowik) has been since he has been here, relative with the input he had from (former defensive coordinator) Larry (Coyer). I will go back to (former defensive coordinator) Greg Robinson and he was here for six years. Before I made a change with Greg, we were 6-10, and after the change, we were 11-5. I told Greg going into that year that we are going to have to change what we are doing defensively. Greg didn't feel comfortable with the change, and so I made a change. I told him if we didn't play well on defense, I thought we would have to make a change. When (former defensive coordinator) Ray Rhodes came in for two years (2001-02), I felt very good about him and what he did here. Obviously, he had some health problems. We have a philosophy here on defense that I would like to get back to a little bit, and Bob (Slowik) knows that philosophy. So that's why I think he will do a great job."

On if the Broncos' defensive struggled in 2007 were due to the scheme or the players --
"Well, going back to me, I am in charge of this thing. I just think if I were to have done a decent job coaching, we would have won 10 games or more. And so, it goes back to me. You have to make the decisions that you think are in the best interest for our football team, and sometimes it doesn't work out. My job is to take a look at everything and decide what is best for the organization. That's the bottom line. I just thought when you give up 100 yards a game on rush defense for a number of years since I have been here, there were a little philosophical differences."

On the defensive philosophy that will be brought back --
"Well, just take a look at what we have done here for the last 12 years. We've had a certain philosophy. Sometimes you have to tweak that philosophy. It goes back to what we have done for the past 12 years. We got back to it after we couldn't stop the run this season, back to more of the eight-man fronts, but it was different coverages, assignments, but it just never came together. You don't go four years with a philosophy of giving up being in the top 10 defensively (scoring defense), and get away from it for as long as we did. Hopefully we will get a little bit better."

On allowing former Assistant Head Coach/Defense Jim Bates more range to coach his defense in 2007 --
"Well, I think I said that after the fourth game, when we were giving up 187 yards rushing a game, that we had to make a change. So, we went back to some of the eight-man concept, so I thought we had to make some adjustments. Again, it goes back to me. I gave Bates the freedom to run the defense that he would like, and it just didn't work out."

On some of the draft choices that haven't worked out for the Broncos --
"I think obviously those weren't good drafts. And the free agency, that stands for itself. I think you have to average it out through the years. The bottom line is you have to look at wins and losses, and that is how you judge everybody. Sometimes it will be good drafts, sometimes it will be good free agency, but the bottom line is that you have to find a way to win. Obviously, we didn't do a very good job this year, but again, the bottom line is we were 7-9, how do we correct it? It's my job to make changes and to do the right thing. If you don't win, you deserve all the criticism that you get."

On WR Javon Walker --
"Well, I'm not going to talk about the guys that we have who are up for possibly free agency or contracts for obvious reasons. We will talk with Javon and some guys like (RB) Travis Henry, (S) John Lynch and different guys who have question marks on where their career will go from here."

On evaluating the roster --
"The same thing we do every year. We will find out which guys are most valuable to our football team. Some contracts we will redo, other contracts you decide if you are paying too much for what you're getting. We will try to come up with a plan going into free agency and the draft, and see who will give us the best chance to be successful."

On what will be done differently in 2008 --
"Well, the first thing you do is decide what areas you need to improve, what you have to do from a coaching standpoint and look at myself, the offensive staff, defensive staff and special teams and make adjustments there. We go back and look at the film from a couple weeks and evaluate personnel and schemes. After that is done, we develop a game plan. We will do what we have been doing here for the last 13 years."

On what will be done differently this offseason as compared to those of previous seasons --
"It is always intense. Any time you have a season like we did, you are very disappointed, especially if you come in at least thinking of it being a 10-win season. You just have to look at different areas and make sure that it doesn't happen again."

On what changes will be done to the offensive coaching staff --
"The only thing we are going to do is Joe Baker is going to come over from the linebacker position and take Jim Ryan's job (offensive assistant), and Jim Ryan is going to coach the linebackers. Other than that, we will look at some of the things we did right and go from there. I was really pleased with some of the things we did offensively. You look at your center (Tom Nalen), left guard (Ben Hamilton) and a guy like (WR) Brandon Marshall, who missed all of camp, a guy like (WR) Rod Smith who you think would kind of give you some depth, we had a stretch in there of five or six games where we were averaging well over 30 points per game. When you lose (WR) Brandon Stokley and (TE) Daniel Graham, you kind of go back down again. I saw us getting better and even though we didn't play as well as I would have liked us to, I think that there is a big future."

On figuring out a reason why there was a differential between yards gained and points scored --
"Yes, you take a look at turnovers and time of possession. You take a look at the lengths of the drives, and it's not really hard to figure out why you don't have those points. There are a lot of factors involved."

On having the personnel to win 10+ games next season --
"I think you always have the personnel to win 10-plus games. We have to get a little bit luckier than we did this year health wise. I think this was the most we have ever lost since I have been here. We lost 62 guys on offense. I think one year we lost 62 guys on the team. You take a look at a guy like (C Tom) Nalen, (G Ben) Hamilton, (WR) Rod Smith, (RB) Travis Henry and all of a sudden you have so many of these young guys play. I think it's good for us for the future because you have some guys who have gained some experience, and some of the guys you weren't sure about have stepped up. I'm hoping that helps us in the long run. It's not excuses; It's just the way it is in comparison to what we have done before."

On the gap between the Patriots and Colts and the rest of the NFL --
"I think the gap is very big right now between the Patriots and Colts, and everybody else. You look at what the Patriots have been doing offensively and defensively, and what the Colts have been doing offensively and defensively... These are two teams who are obviously above the rest. Everybody is trying to catch up to those guys and with good reason. Both teams' defenses are in the top two or three in almost every statistical area. You take a look at their offense, and yes, it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out."

On the Chargers --
"Well, number one San Diego is a team that has as talented personnel as anyone in the National Football League, especially on defense. If they put their best game together, they can beat both Indy and New England. They have been inconsistent this year and have played their best football in the latter half. Teams are going to have to play well to beat San Diego at this time."

On the offensive line being a concern going into the offseason --
"Right now, (C) Tom Nalen believes he will be back. (G) Ben Hamilton is feeling the same way. (T) Matt Lepsis never came back this year. Matt Lepsis has had a great career here with the Denver Broncos. This was not a good year for Matt Lepsis, and he would tell you that he probably should have retired before this year started. We should have Nalen back full speed, and Hamilton, with the addition of some of the other guys who have played. (G Chris) Kuper and (C) Chris Myers, I feel good about them. Will (T) Ryan Harris step up? Kuper can play tackle. Does (T Erik) Pears keep getting better? That is part of the evaluation process over the next number of months."

On the defensive personnel --
"Basically, it was the same personnel we have had for the past couple years. In the last four years, we were in the top 10 of points given up. This year, we were obviously way down. I thought the personnel were very similar to what we have had the last four years."

On LB D.J. Williams --
"He did some good things for never playing that position (middle linebacker) before."

On if the turnover in personnel contributed to the record for the year --
"First of all, we will take a look at the secondary, and that has stayed pretty much in tact. The linebacker position stayed pretty much in tact, and there was no change on the defensive line. I thought we improved ourselves on the defensive line. We probably have had more defensive players in here than we have ever before. We will have the chance to evaluate a lot of these guys. I think we have a young group coming up, and not that I don't think we need more depth, but I think we have a chance to get there. Relative to the offense, I think we have been through that with a number of players. There is some optimism there with the guys we have coming back, and the youth of our football team."

On his relationship with Pat Bowlen --
"Pat has been great. He understands the time we put in and how we look at it, and that you are going to go through some tough times. He's a great owner. The reason I think he has had so much success is because he understands the big picture."

On if he feels pressure --
"Nobody can put more heat on me than me. What kind of heat can I put on me? It's not financial; It's winning. That is how you last in this game, and if you don't, it gets pretty tough with the time we put in. You have to have thick skin and believe in what you are doing."

On Defensive Coordinator Bob Slowik --
"Well number one I think he understands that offenses are very good. He is very flexible with his scheme, and depending on what a team is doing, he has the ability to attack that offense with his defensive plan. He's been here with me for a number of years, and he knows how I like to operate. There is one thing about this league and that is you go against some teams with strengths and weaknesses, and you still have to find a way to win. I don't care if you have a mismatch. What can you do to give you the best chance of winning?"

On G/C Chris Myers playing tackle --
"He didn't play any tackle. Chris Myers is not a tackle, but he's a good football player that can play the center and guard positions. We've got some competition there like you mentioned, you never know what's going to happen with Ben (Hamilton). He could have one hit and he could be out. (C) Tom Nalen is usually a warrior after an injury--he comes back full speed, he's been working extremely hard. We'll do what we can do to get as much depth as we can at those positions. "

On T Erik Pears --
"He's done a good job. He gives you everything he's got, I like the way he handles himself."

On WR Javon Walker coming back 100 percent from a knee injury --
"I think you'd have to talk to (Broncos Head Athletic Trainer) Steve Antonopulos there. The doctors thought that after his surgery that it would take five to six weeks to get back full speed. There's talk of a microfracture (procedure) somewhere down the line. I don't know when that'll be, it could be two to three years from now, it could be four years, you just don't know."

On QB Jay Cutler entering his third NFL season in 2008 --
"I think it'll be a lot easier for him. Any time you go a full season as a starter, it's a great learning experience. I go back and look at Tom Brady, take a look at (Peyton) Manning, take a look at (Ben) Roethlisberger, you take a look at their first 16 games, first 24 games, you take a look at their growth... It's night and day. It really slows down for you a little bit, you have another offseason to study film, be around the players, but you still have to grow, you still have study, you still have get better. It just doesn't happen, you've got to work to make it happen, hopefully Cutler will do that."

On why he expects great things from Cutler --
"I don't know if you can say a guy is great until he proves himself. What made everybody excited about John Elway when he first came here? I think every saw a strong arm, they saw a great competitor, they saw a guy that would compete and I think that's what they see in a guy like Cutler--A strong arm, a guy that will compete, a guy that loves the game. Now he's got to go out there and do it just like John did. I just remember John in his fourth year because nobody believed in John Elway, and John had to prove himself in a playoff situation and he finally got to that Super Bowl. The only thing you heard about John when he first got here for the first four years was he never got to a bowl game in college and he has never taken the Broncos to a playoff game then all of a sudden we're in the Super Bowl. After four years, there it was... `Yeah, he can take us to a playoff game but he'll never take us to a Super Bowl,' and that went on for another eight to 10 years but he believed in himself and worked his rear end off and finally got to the promised land. That's what it is about the National Football League--Eventually you've got to do it. I was in the same situation with Steve Young following Joe Montana. He got booed off the field both times in Championship games because he couldn't win the big one and he finally did and got the monkey off his back. That's the profession we live in, that's the one I live in every day. Nobody cares what you've done, you've got to get it done. I think we can all relate to that in sports and in general."

On what Cutler needs to work on --
"A lot of things. He's got to work on ball position, he's got to work on footwork, consistency with his throws, short throws as well as the medium range throws. There are so many things... Blitzes and how to react to them, your footwork, when there's pressure how to step up and scramble, different things that all quarterbacks go through. Then the game slows down for them a little bit because they understand defenses, they understand where people are, they play at the level a couple of these quarterbacks are playing at right now."

On RB Travis Henry --
"Like I said, I'm not going to talk about those situations. But any time there's a setback with a guy, I think you have to look at what he did in his first four or five games then you make the decision on what you thought he did in those four or five games."

On Henry's knee injury --
"I don't think he ever recovered. He had the MCL and I don't think he ever recovered, never got back in football shape and tried to work though it but never did so I don't think he ever got healthy. Any time you're out 3-4 weeks with an MCL, you kind of get out of football shape unless you can really work. He tried but never could get back in shape."

On injuries being a problem in the future with Henry --
"I'm hoping not, but could it be an issue? Sure if he keeps in getting hurt but with a good offseason program he should be coming back to full speed. I think the question everybody has, you take a look at the money involved, you have to make a decision about what you think is best for the organization because once you make that commitment, it's a big thing, so you've got to look at everything."

On not overworking RB Selvin Young --
"Any time a guy gets hurt as many times as he did, you know there's no possible way he can carry the ball 20-25 times a game. His body just wouldn't hold up. He went down too many times this year. You are looking at a guy that has big-play potential. You give him that ball 15-20 times a game, he's going to average over five yards per carry. You just can't overwork Selvin Young. You could see that this year. Same thing with Andre Hall. Andre Hall was nicked up the whole year but when he did play, he played a very high level. Take that screen play versus Chicago before the half, when he breaks a tackle against Tennessee and he goes the distance--you could see big-play potential. He was banged up a big part of the year. He was going to be our kickoff returner. That's part of the evaluation process that we're going through right now though free agency and the draft--Who do you bring in and how do they help you on special teams?"

On the Broncos' special teams --
"We definitely need a returner. If we had the right returner that we thought we had in Andre Hall this year, I think Andre Hall would have broken three of those returns for touchdowns. I could tell you each one but you'd have to see it from the end-zone camera with his speed and agility. The thing we're going to have to get better on is our kickoffs. I thought at the end when Todd (Sauerbrun) was released we helped ourselves there, we had more of a hang time with our kickoffs. We had to get better on our punting. Our punting was inconsistent this year so we can get some help with our kick and our special teams. We've got a couple guys we think that can help us that we already have on our football team that we'll have to evaluate as time goes on."

On DE Tim Crowder and DT Marcus Thomas, who are entering their second season in 2008 --
"With defensive lineman, it usually takes a couple years. It doesn't happen over night. The thing with both Marcus Thomas and Tim Crowder, they both got a lot of experience this year and usually the jump from the first year to the second year is huge in defensive lineman and even more from the second to the third year. With the playing time both of them got, I think they've got a big upside."

On DE Jarvis Moss' recovery from a leg injury --
"Obviously he's going to start behind because he was on injured reserve the majority of the year. But he's been working in the weight room every day. You can see the hunger there. You can tell he's got passion for what he's doing, so I look at him coming back and playing at a pretty good level."

On other injury upates --
"(DE) Ebenezer Ekuban I think will be back in the middle of May, June. A little bit of a question mark there. Any time you've got an Achilles' problem, it takes sometimes longer. Besides him, we've got some bumps and bruises but nothing that will take surgery. I think Selvin Young will go into surgery, just minor on his knee, but that's more of a week, two-week recovery time. It shouldn't set him back at all."

On watching the playoffs --
"I'll watch every game."

On what he thinks about the Patriots --
"Any time you go undefeated, that's something special. I think everybody knows that it doesn't really matter what you do in the regular season. It's what you do in the post season. They've got some pressure on them. It's going to be interesting to see if they can step forward with the pressure that they're under and play at the same level. If they do, a lot of people will consider them the best of all time."

On evaluating free agents --
"One thing that you've got to understand is since I've got the final say does not mean that I go out there. I don't have the time to do that. We've go people that have been on the road that have evaluated every guy that's out there in pro football. We've got five guys on the road doing that. They'll come back here in about three weeks and we'll go over all their recommendations in free agency, height, weight, speed, what they've done, their character. The pro scouts that have been looking at these guys, we'll put them in a pecking order and then they'll recommend which guys would come in and help our team, evaluating our team as well on a daily basis. We do the same thing in the college draft. I don't even know all the guys that are out there. All these guys have been evaluating these guys for the last year. They've been on the road every day. Even though I get the final say, there's no way I could do that without guys that are out there constantly on the road making recommendations of what they think is in the best interest of your football team."

On evaluating current players on Denver's roster --
"No question about it. We have these guys that are out on the road that are never here. They come in and evaluate guys, they compare them to other guys in the league, that are never here, they don't know there personality, they don't know if they're good guys, bad guys just based on play. That is something you have to do. You've got to get an independent contractor that looks at your players because sometimes you like a guy because of his character, for whatever reasons, it's really a good cross-check for us."

On S Hamza Abdullah --
"When he did play he played well, he had some good games, some poor games but I think he's got a big upside, hopefully he'll play well in the future."

On free agency --
"What I think what you do is you take a look at who is out there. Are you saying (S) John Lynch is a mistake? Are you saying (TE) Daniel Graham is a mistake? I know the ones that you are insinuating. It's an evaluation process. How do you eliminate those mistakes? How do you have the good drafts? That's what you're working for."

On RB Selvin Young stepping in with injuries at the running back position --
"The one thing is when you lose a couple players, what you really kind of hurt is your special teams too because these guys don't get the experience that you'd like because they're really core special teams players. So when you do lose a guy here and there, the Selvin Youngs or the Andre Halls, guys that you'd really like to see how good they are, they're playing so other guys are playing those positions. But to answer your question, you'd always like to be young if you can, obviously from a cash standpoint, from the salary cap, but you've got to find out what gives you the best chance to win. Obviously we're a younger football team right now than we were a year ago."

On S John Lynch --
"I think John will decide here in the next month what direction he wants to go. I had a good talk with John today, talked about an hour-hour and a half. (We) had a good conversation, and well see what happens."

On if RB Travis Henry will be with the Broncos' No. 1 running back in 2008 --
"There's a lot of money involved. You've got to make a decision for a big signing bonus what's the best for your organization. To tell you he's going to be our number one running back next year, I could B.S. you but I wouldn't be telling you the truth. There's a lot to weight on who is out there and what his status is physically. Is there any adjustment with the signing bonus? There are so many factors involved, to say one way or another, I wouldn't be telling the truth."

On former Denver LB Al Wilson being cleared to play by doctors --
"To be honest with you, our doctors felt like he could play right away. It was another doctor that felt differently. I'm glad that whatever situation has warranted for Al has cleared him to play because Al has a lot of passion, he's done a great job for us, a great leader... I wish him nothing but the best."

On the importance of a quarterback and a head coach in the NFL --
"You better have a quarterback, I don't care where you're at. If you don't have a great quarterback, you better have a great defense. To win Super Bowls, you have to have an organization that has a lot of people going in the same direction. There just can't be a quarterback and head coach. It's got to have a good offense, good defense and people working together. It does just happen. It's hard to do. You've got to be a little lucky with injuries. I'll go back through 13 years and you've got to be lucky in those great years. In a 13-3 year or 14-2 year and you take a look at the injuries, you're pretty lucky in the stretch. But you've still got to be able to win when you have an unlucky year and you still got to be able to win 10 games, there's no excuse not to win 10 games."

On the Patriots --
"You've got one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game and maybe the best coach with three Super Bowls in how many years and a chance to do it again. The proof is getting it done and he's gotten it done, both of them. You cant take away those rings."

On WR Brandon Stokley as Denver's No. 2 receiver --
"I don't think he's a guy that you want to play in the No. 2 spot. I think he's a guy that you play 25-30 times a game. You put him in that slot role, he's going to get open not matter who is covering him. I think if you play him 50-60 plays a game, I think you're going to wear him down especially nine to 10 years in the league. I think it's a mistake so you have to evaluate what your players can do and sometimes you have to play them a little bit more than you want to because of injuries but to do that to a guy like Brandon was a mistake for us and one of the reasons why he couldn't play the last couple games."

On WR Rod Smith --
"I've talked to Greek (Broncos Head Athletic Trainer Steve Antonopulos) about him and supposedly he's going well and what a warrior he is and what a big influences he was for our football team in the locker room. A guy like that, he's the reason why you win Super Bowls with the character and that type of character and that type of mindset... When he's not playing to influence the younger players on the football team."

On WR Rod Smith's future with the Broncos --
"I'm going to try and get Rod Smith a part of this organization doing something because he's a guy that comes around very seldom. Hopefully we can work something out down the line, something that he's interested in, somebody that smart not to coach, you've got to try to get a part of your organization doing something."

On having WR Rod Smith's presence in the locker room --
"It's always great to have veteran players, players that guys respect around, especially with a guy like Brandon Marshall to listen to Rod every day. I think we all know as a player you can only really lead when you're playing. It's hard to do from the background, but if anybody could do it, Rod could."

On players buying into the system that got the Broncos to two Super Bowl wins --
"If they don't buy into it then they won't be around. That's why you've got to make the decision that you think will give your football team the best chance to win. Sometimes you've got to get rid of talent to get that message across regardless of somebody's potential."

On WR Rod Smith and the other veterans influencing the younger players --
"I think what Rod's saying is that he understands what it takes to win Super Bowls. Not many people do. He understands the grind, he understands how tough it is as a football team and an organization to get everybody on the same page. He see these kids with talent, but they don't have the mindset to do the little things that it takes to separate yourself. He's not afraid to call people out and that's what you need. You need you leaders taking over and let some of the younger guys know that that's the way we do things. If you want to be part of this organization, a part of this professionalism this is the standard you're going to have to operate at. Sometimes, it takes a guy a year or two to understand that."

On former Broncos WR Domenik Hixon, who was claimed off waivers by the Giants --
"We were trying to get him on the practice squad. But we looked at him enough that we felt that Andre Hall was a better look for us than Domenik Hixon. If we knew Andre was going to go down, we probably wouldn't have made that call. Just because a guy has an 85-yard kickoff return doesn't mean that that guy's arrived. We'll see if he does it over time. Domenik Hixon was a guy that we looked at, obviously drafted and liked a lot. We gambled on the practice squad and we lost, but I still think he's got a ways to go before he arrives"

On the Broncos' special teams getting better as the season progressed --
"I feel very strongly about that. Like I said, we played a lot of people on special teams that didn't practice it with people going out, you don't have that kickoff guy hanging with that hang time or you don't have that consistent punter. Obviously Jason Elam did a great job with some clutch kicks throughout the year."

On having younger players on the roster --
"I think any time you have young players everybody says, `Hey is this a football team that can win with young players? Are you rebuilding because you have young players?' I know after our 8-8 season my first year everybody thought we had three or four years to rebuild, we just didn't have enough players and all of a sudden you're 13-3 and you lose and all of a sudden you get a little bit of respect because these young guys or free agents stepped up and played at a certain level. Maybe it was Terrell Davis or maybe it was Tony Jones coming in, but that's part of football, I can't answer that question. I just know you get a guy like (WR) Brandon Marshall, a young player, you take a guy like (QB Jay) Cutler, (DE Elvis) Dumervil, guys like (OL) Chris Myers and (G Chris) Kuper stepping up, (RBs) Selvin Young and Andre Hall playing at a certain level, (TE) Daniel Graham coming in and doing a pretty good job and (WR Brandon) Stokley, even though he's not a young guy but a new guy and he steps up. On defense you got a (DT) Marcus Thomas coming in and starting at defensive tackle, (DE) Tim Crowder having a good influence on what we're doing and obviously Elvis and his pass rush were better than most people thought and you take a look at the secondary we got some experience, older guys, (CBs) Champ (Bailey) and Dré Bly... (S) Hamza Abdullah, still fairly young. Linebackers, guys like Jamie Winborn, Ian Gold... You take a look at D.J. (Williams)--not young guys but guys that have some veteran leadership there. You're just hoping that you have the right mixture and you're always trying to get as young as you can, but guys have to be players and so there's a fine line to try to get that chemistry right, there are a lot of things that go into it."

On LB Jamie Winborn --
"He was our best special-teams player, him and (Jordan) Beck played exceptionally well on special teams. Any time you play great special teams, we're always going to look at you for a starting position. When he did play (on defense), which Jamie did the last couple games, he played well. Beck didn't get a chance to play very much but he did a great job coming in. He was a difference maker on special teams, so a couple additions that we did bring in at the linebacker position helped us on special teams. We probably have more depth on the defensive line, guys to chose from, younger guys, than we've had in a long time. Which guys will be players, I don't know, but we do have a lot more number than we've had before so we have a lot more competition."

On Jim Ryan coaching the linebackers --
"Jim has worked with the linebackers with Larry (Coyer) and then went to the offensive side and he's been an offensive assistant here for the last year working with protections and routs. Jim is an extremely bright guy. We were just hoping some day that we would have a position that he could fill and I know that he'll do a heck of a job just like Rick Dennison's done with our offensive line. I am excited for Jim. He'll do a heck of a job for us."